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| Group: egodeath |
Message: 10751 |
From: egodeath |
Date: 20/05/2019 |
| Subject: Re: Transcendent Knowledge podcast commentary |
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| Group: egodeath |
Message: 10751 |
From: egodeath |
Date: 20/05/2019 |
| Subject: Re: Transcendent Knowledge podcast commentary |
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Per atheists, forget ‘religion’. Instead of religion, use cognitive metaprogramming in the loosecog state, studying personal control integrity across time.
Study no-free-will and control stability.
Pursue perceiving the frozen-time block universe worldline, per no-free-will, with unchangeable control-thoughts that will come into the mind uncontrollably, and experience personal control in light of no-free-will.
A control seizure, profound dependence on that which is the actual source of control thoughts.
What to call these dynamics? Religion, prayer, sacrifice, resurrection, salvation, eternal life? Or other labels, for the most shocking, profound, transcendent, numinous experiencing?
If ‘religion’ is taken to mean “whether God exists” and religion is literalist supernaturalism, then the terms from Religion cannot be used to describe cognitive dynamics and mental model transformation in the “analogical/ psychedelic/ block universe worldline/ no-free-will” state of consciousness.
Esoteric religious mythology is in fact positioned in contrast to exoteric literalist thinking, the two are contrasted in the New Testament by the Jesus figure.
Avoiding religion and studying personal control power instead, in the block universe no-free-will state of consciousness that results from the metaprogramming agent that loosens cognitive associations, leads to experiential dynamics and a mental model transformation that is described by religious mythology and religious language, when recognized.
The target dynamics must be understood, before religious figuration can be recognized as descriptions of those cognitive dynamics in the religious state of consciousness, which is the loose cognitive association state, which switches from Possibilism to the Eternalism mode of experiencing and mental worldmodel.
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Thread:
Summary statements of Egodeath theory
The below posts are from this thread. They were all together in Yahoo Mail; I had to scroll down through it.
May 25, 2019, 9:46 am
the Theory = religious mythology, analogy, psychedelics, loose cognition, frozen block universe, no-free-will, non-control.
The Egodeath theory is that religious mythology is analogy describing psychedelics loosening the mind and causing an experience of the frozen block universe that contains your snake-shaped worldline of future control thoughts, an experience of no-free-will, and the experience of non-control, in contrast to experiencing time and control as a tree of branching possibilities that you steer among to create your future in an open future.
The Theory is becoming extremely simple, yet my summary expressions of it are still too turgid to vocalize, so I must take a speaking-first approach, by reading-aloud the attempted written summary statements, followed by impromptu oral statement of the points.
The statements must include the phrases:
religious mythology
analogy
psychedelics, such as mushrooms
the frozen-time block universe
the snake-shaped worldline
no-free-will
non-control
the feeling of loss of control
tree vs. snake
pre-existing control thoughts
steering among branching possibilities
To improve the plainspoken simplicity of writing, I must literally speak my summary statements rather than write them.
I need to add a speaking-first, writing-second approach.
The best way to simplify the writing is to stop writing and instead speak, which is to say, bounce between the simplest possible writing and the simplest possible speaking.
Write simple summary sentences, record reading aloud the sentences followed by vocally restating in plainer form those points, then write down those simpler, spontaneously spoken statements and repeat that refinement/simplification cycle.
I do too much writing of Theory summary statements, and too little speaking of the Theory summary statements.
I reached the limit — now, like in 2006 — of my simplified-writing ability.
When I finished the 2006 version of the main article, I saw it was great in its clarity, a first-order breakthrough in clarity of Theory.
I was dismayed to find, upon vocalizing the 2006 main article, that the sentence construction was far from simple and clear.
In 2013 I discovered a huge missed opportunity to simplify the expression of the theory in terms of tree vs. snake.
I thought in 2006 that the coverage of religious mythology in the main article was incomplete in scope, but was as efficient as possible.
My summary statements fail the vocalization test, as did my initial 2006 version of the main article.
My slight revision into 2007 was driven by the discovery — when I made a spoken reading of the main article — that many sentences were literally unvocalizable.
In the 2006 sentences in the main article, there was no phrase-boundary where it is possible to inhale.
By writing summary statements, I discovered the extreme simplicity of the Theory, and yet those summary statements are still awkward, turgid, unnatural, not how people speak plainly.
The Theory is extremely simple, yet my sentences — as proven by reading aloud — are still not plainspoken.
The summary sentences, overall, remain on the wrong side of the threshold of plain speaking, just as my 2006 main article was only *relatively* clearly expressed.
The great degree of success of my 2006 summary article hides the shortcomings of that relatively clear, only relatively clear, expression, as revealed when I tried and failed to vocalize the 2006 sentences.
The 200-character limit on posts, combined with a random audience, helped toward breakthrough in simplicity of expression, but, I’m still self-censoring to withhold uncomfortable aspects, and to conform to the poor venue in that my posts are off-topic or too specialized of a focus.
I won’t necessarily upload recorded speaking, but I do need to both vocalize and record, to push the expressions — that is, I do too much writing (even if “short summary statement” form is great) and not enough vocalization.
I need to do short-form writing and short-form vocalization, to achieve being extremely plainspoken.
The 2006 main article turned out to be *far* from natural and plainspoken in its sentence construction, which forced me to fix the worst, but only the worst, sentences to produce the stopgap fix, as the 2007 slight fix of the main article.
In November 2013, I discovered the tremendous simplifying effect of contrasting tree vs. snake and recognizing that efficiency having been discovered and used by the most archaic explorers of the two cognitive states.
Similarly now I need that kind of a jump in efficiency and plain speaking to express how utterly basic and simple the Theory is.
Any short-form statement must include these words, and not evade them or censor these pointed points:
religious mythology
analogy
psychedelics, such as mushrooms
the frozen-time block universe
the snake-shaped worldline
no-free-will
non-control
the feeling of loss of control
tree vs. snake
pre-existing control thoughts
Non-essential terms:
eternalism – no one has heard of this term, except a different usage in Buddhism
entheogens – no one has heard of this term, in contrast to ‘psychedelics’
ahistoricity – puts the focus on the wrong debate, loses the direct-science focus
determinism – connotes in-time domino-chain model with open future, against eternalism
metaphor – more confusing than ‘analogy’
any term that needs to be defined every time it is introduced
May 25, 2019, 9:47 am
Dup post? Corrections? Might be a re-post.
the Theory = religious mythology, analogy, psychedelics, loose cognition, frozen block universe, no-free-will, non-control.
The Egodeath theory is that religious mythology is analogy describing psychedelics loosening the mind and causing an experience of the frozen block universe that contains your snake-shaped worldline of future control thoughts, an experience of no-free-will, and the experience of non-control, in contrast to experiencing time and control as a tree of branching possibilities that you steer among to create your future in an open future.
The Theory is becoming extremely simple, yet my summary expressions of it are still too turgid to vocalize, so I must take a speaking-first approach, by reading-aloud the attempted written summary statements, followed by impromptu oral statement of the points.
The statements must include the phrases:
religious mythology
analogy
psychedelics, such as mushrooms
the frozen-time block universe
the snake-shaped worldline
no-free-will
non-control
the feeling of loss of control
tree vs. snake
pre-existing control thoughts
steering among branching possibilities
To improve the plainspoken simplicity of writing, I must literally speak my summary statements rather than write them.
I need to add a speaking-first, writing-second approach.
The best way to simplify the writing is to stop writing and instead speak, which is to say, bounce between the simplest possible writing and the simplest possible speaking.
Write simple summary sentences, record reading aloud the sentences followed by vocally restating in plainer form those points, then write down those simpler, spontaneously spoken statements and repeat that refinement/simplification cycle.
I do too much writing of Theory summary statements, and too little speaking of the Theory summary statements.
I reached the limit — now, like in 2006 — of my simplified-writing ability.
When I finished the 2006 version of the main article, I saw it was great in its clarity, a first-order breakthrough in clarity of Theory.
I was dismayed to find, upon vocalizing the 2006 main article, that the sentence construction was far from simple and clear.
In 2013 I discovered a huge missed opportunity to simplify the expression of the theory in terms of tree vs. snake.
I thought in 2006 that the coverage of religious mythology in the main article was incomplete in scope, but was as efficient as possible.
My summary statements fail the vocalization test, as did my initial 2006 version of the main article.
My slight revision into 2007 was driven by the discovery — when I made a spoken reading of the main article — that many sentences were literally unvocalizable.
In the 2006 sentences in the main article, there was no phrase-boundary where it is possible to inhale.
By writing summary statements, I discovered the extreme simplicity of the Theory, and yet those summary statements are still awkward, turgid, unnatural, not how people speak plainly.
The Theory is extremely simple, yet my sentences — as proven by reading aloud — are still not plainspoken.
The summary sentences, overall, remain on the wrong side of the threshold of plain speaking, just as my 2006 main article was only *relatively* clearly expressed.
The great degree of success of my 2006 summary article hides the shortcomings of that relatively clear, only relatively clear, expression, as revealed when I tried and failed to vocalize the 2006 sentences.
The 200-character limit on posts, combined with a random audience, helped toward breakthrough in simplicity of expression, but, I’m still self-censoring to withhold uncomfortable aspects, and to conform to the poor venue in that my posts are off-topic or too specialized of a focus.
I won’t necessarily upload recorded speaking, but I do need to both vocalize and record, to push the expressions — that is, I do too much writing (even if “short summary statement” form is great) and not enough vocalization.
I need to do short-form writing and short-form vocalization, to achieve being extremely plainspoken.
The 2006 main article turned out to be *far* from natural and plainspoken in its sentence construction, which forced me to fix the worst, but only the worst, sentences to produce the stopgap fix, as the 2007 slight fix of the main article.
In November 2013, I discovered the tremendous simplifying effect of contrasting tree vs. snake and recognizing that efficiency having been discovered and used by the most archaic explorers of the two cognitive states.
Similarly now I need that kind of a jump in efficiency and plain speaking to express how utterly basic and simple the Theory is.
Any short-form statement must include these words, and not evade them or censor these pointed points:
religious mythology
analogy
psychedelics, such as mushrooms
the frozen-time block universe
the snake-shaped worldline
no-free-will
non-control
the feeling of loss of control
tree vs. snake
pre-existing control thoughts
Non-essential terms:
eternalism – no one has heard of this term, except a different usage in Buddhism
entheogens – no one has heard of this term, in contrast to ‘psychedelics’
ahistoricity – puts the focus on the wrong debate, loses the direct-science focus
determinism – connotes in-time domino-chain model with open future, against eternalism
metaphor – more confusing than ‘analogy’
any term that needs to be defined every time it is introduced
/ end of possible re-post
May 25, 2019 3:56 pm
313-character sentence, from the post:
A mind can lack or have the understanding of what is revealed in the mystic altered state; understanding the two experiential mental models of possibility branching, time, and control, and the dynamics of switching to the later, second innate mode of experiencing and the second mental model of time and control.
Revised as multiple sentences less than 200 characters each:
Ideally, a person has both experience and understanding of what is experienced and revealed in the altered state.
There are two experiential mental models of possibility branching, time, and control.
The mind undergoes characteristic mental and experiential dynamics of switching to the later, second innate mode of experiencing.
Multiple sessions of the altered state experience eventually produces a retained second mental model of time and control, even when the ordinary state of experiencing resumes.
4:06 pm
In the best posts in this thread, I will read-aloud each sentence and then say something critically assessing that sentence.
How good of a sentence? Length/complexity?
What was the central intended point of the sentence?
Are the terms in the sentence familiar and understandable without explicit definition?
How many distinct points are being made in the sentence? Can they be separated into dedicated sentences?
How central is the point, to the Egodeath core theory?
4:15 pm
Statement from post 10725 to read aloud and critique:
Dionysus is a major elevated component of high civilization.
How good of a sentence? Length/complexity?
Short, simple.
What was the central intended point of the sentence?
The figure of Dionysus is central and lofty in the history of civilization.
Are the terms in the sentence familiar and understandable without explicit definition?
Yes.
How many distinct points are being made in the sentence? Can they be separated into dedicated sentences?
1
How central is the point, to the Egodeath core theory?
Indirect.
A statement that is of direct relevance to the core Egodeath theory would be:
The potential and ability of the mind to experience loose cognition and transform the mental model of time and control is, and has been considered, essential to high civilization and culture.
5:23 pm
Sentence to read-aloud and critique:
Esoteric mysticism is simple to rationally explain as metaphor or analogy describing the psychedelic sacred meal-induced experience of frozen-time noncontrol, no-free-will, and monopossibility.
I couldn’t even read aloud to the midpoint of the sentence before I (mistakenly) exclaimed “What the hell is that junk verbiage inserted after the first two words?!” —
As I read it aloud, I parsed the sentence as:
Esoteric mysticism is [pointless junk words:] simple to rationally explain as [resume the brilliant payload:] metaphor or analogy describing the psychedelic sacred meal-induced experience of frozen-time noncontrol, no-free-will, and monopossibility.
The motivating point to post that text message was *that* explaining esotericism is surprisingly simple (and, secondarily here, that the simple explanation is, esotericism is analogy describing the psychedelic sacred meal-induced experience of frozen-time noncontrol, no-free-will, and monopossibility).
That 2-point sentence is strong in many ways but even so, my initial reaction was that the ‘the explanation is simple’ phrase was pointless junk-words that disrupted the explanation. Even when you separate out the two points:o The explanation is simple. <– non-essential, commentaryo The explanation is x. <– essential, payload
there is far more value in stating the explanation, than in assessing the degree of simplicity the explanation has.
The fact that people think the explanation is hard, and that it is actually easy, is peripheral, far inferior to the explanation itself (which happens to be surprisingly simple instead of hard as people expect).
Core theory:
Esotericism is [simply] x.
Peripheral, non-essential commentary on the core theory:
The explanation is surprisingly simple, not hard as people are accustomed to expecting.
Given that I was trying to cram two points into a <200 character post in a foreign context/venue, the sentence is strong. But when later reading the sentence with no context, I immediately judged it as an overcomplex definition with needless junk verbiage inserted, breaking the point, as if I wrote:
Esotericism is [this explanation is surprisingly simple] x.
Given what I was trying to communicate in the chat venue, the sentence is strong, and successful.
But the sentence is poor if used as a general model, and in fact when I read the sentence aloud, I was *unable* to continue past midpoint of the sentence before exclaiming that the intrusive junk phrase was not carrying its weight:
[start of high-value statement] [inserted low-value statement] [second half of high-value statement]
even though at the time I wrote the sentence, the main thing motivating the posted sentence was “the explanation is simple”, and the secondary point was “the explanation is x”. A more useful approach that stands up better when the sentence is read in isolation is, avoid making a point within the middle of a point.
Esoteric mysticism is surprisingly simple to rationally explain: esotericism is analogy describing the psychedelics-induced experience of frozen-time noncontrol, no-free-will, and monopossibility.
The fact that the sacred meal is psychedelics-based is actually a greedy or “efficient” cramming of a third point into the sentence.
For general use, it is better to break out each point into a standalone sentence:
Esoteric mysticism is simple to rationally explain.
Esoteric mysticism is analogy describing the psychedelics-induced experience of frozen-time noncontrol, no-free-will, and monopossibility.
The sacred meal is psychedelics, such as psilocybin mushrooms.
There is a tradeoff or conflict between low wordcount/ character count, vs. simplicity of expression.
When you achieve simplicity of expression, wordcount increases, unfortunately.
When you achieve low wordcount, expression becomes more complex, unfortunately.
My 2006 main article was not optimized for simplicity of expression, but for cramming as many breakthrough points as possible into a predefined wordcount; the article was designed to be dense, not designed to have extreme simplicity of expression.
When I attempted to read-aloud the article, I began to intensely focus, like around 2011, on simplicity of expression.
But I only started to *really* hammer on simplicity of expression recently, around late 2018, in the context of <200 character posts in random venues online with unknown audiences.
A historical turning point or milestone in my simplicity of expression is when I started writing all posts in this weblog/discussion group as independent sentences rather than prose multisentence paragraphs. Part of how I started that, was when I blew apart my main article into sentences around 2012… which I did during composing the 2006 main article.
That was a technique I started perhaps 1992 or 1989 when working in Word Perfect. Possibly 1987 – I did these kinds of experiments for a long time.
My idea development in January 1986 had that characteristic of aphorisms – isolated statements, not particularly grouped into multi-sentence paragraphs.
When did I start posting every post in the form of standalone sentences, one sentence per line?
When I regularly posted as independent sentences, that marks the practical start of this intent push for simplicity of expression.
The push for simplicity of expression started after my initial draft of the contrarian article around January 1988.
My 1988 attempted article got off to a failed start, a counterexample: it starts with a really stupid idea, a prelude, preliminaries, setting the stage.
I succeeded in 2006-2007 at writing the 1988 article.]
The 1988 article’s point is: “Against Ken Wilber & Journal of Transpersonal Psychology, Transcendent Knowledge is actually the noncontrol experience that results from the block universe experience in the loose cognitive state”.
By 1996 after failing to write a condensed article, I temporarily gave up on the article format, and simply posted the outline of principle summary points at Principia Cybernetica.
Forget the “article” format; just get to the damned point.
5:47 – Reading Aloud to Drive Simpler Writing
My reading-aloud of the attempted summary sentences, together with critiquing each sentence, reveals that I failed so far to accomplish or reach the goal, of simple explicit summary sentences.
I now *can* record reading-aloud the summary sentences, that is, the main post in the present thread, but I know that I am not satisfied with the result.
The first post fails to focus on the core theory, fails to have simple sentences.
The second summary post is not quite as bad, but still I hold out for improvement, in the 3rd post. That post also is all too easy to improve upon.
My latest main post in this thread, containing all summary sentences, still remains — as demonstrated in the past few critical posts — insufficiently focused on the core theory, and the sentences are too complex, without each sentence serving a single purpose.
This would be a worthwhile, interesting, improvement-causing recording approach: Read the attempted posts in this thread: read a sentence, then critique the sentence:
Critique each sentence:
How good of a sentence? Length/complexity?
What was the central intended point of the sentence?
Are the terms in the sentence familiar and understandable without explicit definition?
How many distinct points are being made in the sentence? Can they be separated into dedicated sentences?
How central is the point, to the Egodeath core theory?
6:39
However I use voice recordings, I do plan to get in the practice of mono smartphone recordings with no accessories, recorded anywhere, using good technique but not using any supplemental gear, such as pop filter, windscreen, dead cat, outboard microphone, headphone monitoring, or treated environment.
I was distracted and completely blocked and sidetracked by the attempt to make perfect recordings, regarding the resulting fidelity. I was blocked by attempting for perfect fidelity. To counter that fatal impediment, I need to be comfortable and in the habit of targeting casual fidelity, sacrificing high fidelity in order to concentrate on the payload, content.
I wasn’t blocked by attempting for perfect content.
I wasn’t blocked by attempting for perfect vocalization.
6:51 pm
Summary sentence for critique:
Religion is based on Reason in the Holy Spirit state of consciousness that is conveyed through the Eucharist.
The context that shaped that statement was some online discussion of Logos, atheism, Christianity, paganism, and religion.
It is a busy, overambitious sentence, written in the spirit of trying to cram an impressive amount into a low wordcount.
The phrase “the Holy Spirit state of consciousness” is too complicated and at least needs punctuation.
The “Holy Spirit” state of consciousness is the altered state of consciousness; that is, the psychedelic state of consciousness, which is characterized by loose cognitive association, which brings different experiencing and thinking.
The “Holy Spirit” state of consciousness is induced by ingesting the Eucharist, which is a form of the traditional “sacred meal”, which means psychedelics, most typically psilocybin mushrooms.
Religion is not based on “the non-rational”.
Religion is based on Reason in conjunction with different experiencing and thinking in the altered state of consciousness.
Religion is based on Reason in the altered state, which gives different experiencing and thinking.
Religion is based on reasoning about time and control in the altered state from psychedelics, such as in the Eucharist sacred meal provided by the God to the acolytes who are chosen by God.
God uses the psychedelic sacred meal as the means by which the mind is taught a different mode of experiencing and thinking, about time and control, possibility and moral culpability.
‘God’ refers to the hidden uncontrollable controller as the normally veiled source of control thoughts.
The control agent is ultimately helplessly controlled by the hidden uncontrollable source of control-thoughts.
A mostly straight-through reading of each posting, to quickly record on TASCAM DR-05 field recorder
May 26, 2019, 12:12 am
Posting — raw tracking file
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/egodeath/conversations/messages/10725 190525_870.wav
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/egodeath/conversations/messages/10723 190525_871.wav
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/egodeath/conversations/messages/10717 190525_873.wav & 190525_878.wav
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/egodeath/conversations/messages/10715 190525_879.wav
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/egodeath/conversations/messages/10713 190525_882.wav
May 26, 2019 4:52 pm
1 week to download this zip file of mp3 files of reading aloud the summary statements
https://we.tl/t-m2GG7Kj6kM
limited time members-only exclusive for those on the inside
May 27, 2019 8:43 pm
mentalModelTransition.mp32 minutes 9 seconds. The download URL, for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-8D1UqKGG2EReading aloud the following text.The text here was written in order to read aloud.The first part was written after seeing the problems with the initial part, shown at bottom.
The dynamics of shifting control-dependency
Moving from the initial model of control to the revised model of control requires a profound shift of control dependency or reliance.
To change worldmodels, instead of relying on your usual imagined basis of control, you must consciously rely on the actual source of control.
Your actual source of control is the pre-existing rail of control-thoughts that is laid out frozen in the block universe.
The pre-existing rail of control thoughts is frozen and you cannot change or control it.
The shift of control-dependency is the most interesting dynamic of the change from the initial to final worldmodel.
Initially, the mental model of control is based on the assumption and sensation that the person is the originator of control thoughts, with an open future.
In the revised mental model, the mind recognizes, perceives, and experiences the actual basis of personal control, in the loose cognitive state.
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To transcend ordinary thinking, the mind moves from an initial mental worldmodel, through a transition period, to a final mental worldmodel.
Psychedelics produce the experience of the block universe containing a frozen worldline of control-thoughts, the experience of no-free-will and noncontrol, and the experience of helplessly receiving thoughts.
The mind tries to retain control on the basis of the initial worldmodel, but then shifts conscious attribution from the intial purported source of control ability to the later, accurately recognized source of control ability.
The mind dramatically shifts from the initial to the later mental worldmodel of control, time, and possibility.
The shift of worldmodels is driven by testing control ability to the point of full instability to disprove the initial model.
The mind repudiates the initial model of control ability and recognizes the real, now perceptible source of control ability, recognizing that personal control is dependent on a mysterious hidden uncontrollable source.
(In the above sentence: repudiate = {sacrifice}, recognize = {prayer})
May 27 9:46 pm
First I recorded spoken idea development (download below), then I transcribed it, as follows:
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Religion is based on the moment of transition, of moving from one leg to the other, the moment of shift, the moment of transition/shift to a new basis, the moment you move from control based on you as initator, to control based on dependence on a pre-given, externally given control source.
Religion is based on and centered around the moment that you move from the familiar basis of control, from the familiar mental conscious assumed and presumed basis of control, to the different external, uncontrollable basis of control.
That moment of shift from the one basis of control to the other is the peak climactic point which is the basis of religion.
Behind that is the whole looming framework of the old mental model and the new mental worldmodel, but the main focus is the moment of transition.
The mind undergoes various dynamics in switching from the old and learning the new model of control.
The mind retains the old model and uses it in mundane life, while adding the new model and relying on the new model in the loose cognitive state.
The central focus in religion is the moment of switching from the old model, particularly with regard to reliance and dependence for the control basis.
The most prominent and celebrated mental dynamic is the change of reliance on control basis, from the old familiar basis to the new, dependent basis.
The conscious shift of the recognized basis of control is the central climactic pivotal point which is the center or foundation of religion.
Hymns are celebrating this particular point: I was failing and you lifted me up, that I’m dependent on something external.
That expression of being dependent on the higher power is the peak experience, the peak dynamic, of switching from the Possibilism worldmodel to the Eternalism worldmodel.
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Written summary of phases or components from the transcription above:
Religious mythology = analogy describing
psychedelic loose cognition
starting from the Possibilism mental worldmodel
then MOVING the conscious basis of control
to the Possibilism mental worldmodel.
1. Religious mythology is analogy describing how
2. psychedelics induce loose cognitive binding
3. giving perception and experience of the frozen block universe worldline of your future control-thoughts
4. and concommitant noncontrol, or shift of basis of control, and no-free-will
leading to moving the mental worldmodel from Possibilism
through a MOVING of the attributed basis or source of control power
to the Eternalism mental model, with awareness of dependence on a hidden, uncontrollable source of control thoughts.
______________
mp3: centralMomentOfShift.mp3
download url for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-RQG9VFvZKf
length: 2:18
mic: Shure – SM57
project: e609sm57testReadingTelosPosts.aup
track: mmTransition3
May 27, 2019 9:47 pm
First I recorded spoken idea development (download below), then I transcribed it, as follows:
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Religion is based on the moment of transition, of moving from one leg to the other, the moment of shift, the moment of transition/shift to a new basis, the moment you move from control based on you as initator, to control based on dependence on a pre-given, externally given control source.
Religion is based on and centered around the moment that you move from the familiar basis of control, from the familiar mental conscious assumed and presumed basis of control, to the different external, uncontrollable basis of control.
That moment of shift from the one basis of control to the other is the peak climactic point which is the basis of religion.
Behind that is the whole looming framework of the old mental model and the new mental worldmodel, but the main focus is the moment of transition.
The mind undergoes various dynamics in switching from the old and learning the new model of control.
The mind retains the old model and uses it in mundane life, while adding the new model and relying on the new model in the loose cognitive state.
The central focus in religion is the moment of switching from the old model, particularly with regard to reliance and dependence for the control basis.
The most prominent and celebrated mental dynamic is the change of reliance on control basis, from the old familiar basis to the new, dependent basis.
The conscious shift of the recognized basis of control is the central climactic pivotal point which is the center or foundation of religion.
Hymns are celebrating this particular point: I was failing and you lifted me up, that I’m dependent on something external.
That expression of being dependent on the higher power is the peak experience, the peak dynamic, of switching from the Possibilism worldmodel to the Eternalism worldmodel.
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Written summary of phases or components from the transcription above:
Religious mythology = analogy describing
psychedelic loose cognition
starting from the Possibilism mental worldmodel
then MOVING the conscious basis of control
to the Eternalism mental worldmodel.
June 1, 2019 7:13 pm
The Egodeath theory explains that mythology describes the effects of eating magic mushrooms.
Normally, when not on mushrooms, the person feels like a king steering in a tree, with the power to make decisions and create their future.
The future feels like it doesn’t exist, and it feels open and can become any of several outcomes.
In Physics, time and space are thought of together as an unchanging block universe.
A person’s sequence of experiencing from birth to death, is shaped like a snake that is embedded into the block universe.
The person’s future thoughts cannot be changed or avoided.
The person doesn’t have the kind of control that lets the person alter their future thoughts.
Magic mushrooms produce an experience of being frozen like a snake in a rock.
On mushrooms, it feels like future thoughts already exist.
It feels like there is no free will, and the person has no ability to control their thoughts.
It feels like something outside of the person is controlling the person’s thoughts.
When the person tries to control their thoughts, they lose the feeling of controlling their thoughts, and the person becomes afraid about what thoughts they will receive next.
The person feels like they are helpless and dependent on a hidden force that controls their thoughts.
When the person realizes that they have no power to control the hidden source of their thoughts, the person has to trust the hidden source of thoughts.
When the person realizes that they have no alternative but to trust the hidden source of thoughts, the person becomes calm and happy to understand higher knowledge and religion.
June 1 7:29 pm
Version 2 is more readable:
The Egodeath theory explains that religion and mythology describe the effects of eating magic mushrooms.
Normally, when not on mushrooms, the person feels like a king steering in a tree, with the power to make decisions and create their future.
The future feels like it doesn’t exist, and it feels open and can become any of several outcomes.
Magic mushrooms produce an experience of being frozen like a statue of a king, or frozen like a snake in a rock.
On mushrooms, it feels like future thoughts already exist.
It feels like there is no free will, and the person has no ability to control their thoughts.
The experience of being frozen without control is like the idea of the block universe in Physics.
In Physics, time and space are thought of together as an unchanging block universe.
In the block universe idea in Physics, a person’s sequence of experiencing from birth to death is called a “worldline”.
Your sequence of thoughts and experiences is shaped like a snake that is embedded into the block universe.
The person’s future thoughts cannot be changed or avoided.
The person doesn’t have the kind of control that lets the person alter their future thoughts.
After taking magic mushrooms several times, it feels like something outside of the person is controlling the person’s thoughts.
The person tries to control their thoughts, but they lose the feeling of controlling their thoughts.
The person becomes afraid about what thoughts they will receive next.
The person feels like they are helpless and dependent on a hidden force that controls their thoughts.
The person realizes that they have no power to control the hidden source of their thoughts.
The person realizes that they have no alternative but to trust the hidden source of thoughts.
The person becomes calm and happy to understand higher knowledge and religion.
7:48 pm
I recorded reading aloud posting 10797, the (incompletely) simplified summary of the Egodeath theory.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/egodeath/conversations/messages/10797
download url (for 1 week): https://we.tl/t-ffEN8doNVW
filename: SimplifiedEDIntroTake1.mp3
length: 2:16
mic: Shure – SM57
Open window; background noise. This is just a practice run and mic check, Take 1.
I should probably analyze and simplify that text, and then record reading the successful version.
June 1, 2019 8:04 pm
This version (3) of the Egodeath summary reaches the target simplicity.
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The Egodeath theory explains that religion and mythology describe the effects of eating magic mushrooms.
Normally, when not on mushrooms, the person feels like a king steering in a tree.
It feels like there are many possible actions.
It feels like you have the power to select any of the possible actions and create your future.
The future feels like it doesn’t exist, and it feels open and can become any of several outcomes.
Magic mushrooms produce an experience of being frozen like a statue of a king, or frozen like a snake in a rock.
On mushrooms, it feels like future thoughts already exist.
It feels like there is no free will, and the person has no ability to control their thoughts.
The experience of being frozen without control is like the idea of the block universe in Physics.
In Physics, time and space are thought of together as an unchanging “block universe”.
A person’s sequence of experiencing from birth to death is called a “worldline”.
Your sequence of thoughts and experiences is shaped like a snake that is embedded into the block universe.
The person’s future thoughts cannot be changed or avoided.
The person doesn’t have the kind of control that lets the person alter their future thoughts.
After taking magic mushrooms several times, the person learns to watch how the mind works.
The person learns to think carefully about control while on mushrooms.
It feels like something outside of the person is controlling the person’s thoughts.
The person tries to control their thoughts, but they lose the feeling of controlling their thoughts.
The person becomes afraid about what thoughts they will receive next.
The person feels like they are helpless and dependent on a hidden force that controls their thoughts.
The person realizes that they have no power to control the hidden source of their thoughts.
The person realizes that they have no alternative but to trust the hidden source of thoughts.
The person becomes calm and happy to understand higher knowledge and religion.
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(The Egodeath theory doesn’t advocate anything except understanding.)
June 1, 2019 8:38 pm – Read-aloud v3.1 of Egodeath Summary Reaches Target Simplicity
I recorded reading aloud the following version 3.1 of the simplified summary of the Egodeath theory.
filename: SimplifiedEDIntroV3.mp3
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/egodeath/conversations/messages/10799
download URL (for 1 week): https://we.tl/t-OxJhAYmtLZ
length: 2:18
This version (3.1) of the Egodeath summary reaches the target simplicity.
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The Egodeath theory explains that religion and mythology describe the effects of eating magic mushrooms.
Normally, when not on mushrooms, the person feels like a king steering in a tree.
It feels like there are many possible actions.
It feels like you have the power to select any of the possible actions and create your future.
The future feels like it doesn’t exist, and it feels open and can become any of several outcomes.
Magic mushrooms produce an experience of being frozen like a statue of a king, or frozen like a snake in a rock.
On mushrooms, it feels like future thoughts already exist.
It feels like there is no free will, and the person has no ability to control their thoughts.
The experience of being frozen without control is like the idea of the block universe in Physics.
In Physics, time and space are thought of together as an unchanging “block universe”.
A person’s sequence of experiencing from birth to death is called a “worldline”.
Your sequence of thoughts and experiences is shaped like a snake that is embedded into the block universe.
The person’s future thoughts cannot be changed or avoided.
The person doesn’t have the kind of control that lets the person alter their future thoughts.
After taking magic mushrooms several times, the person learns to watch how the mind works.
The person learns to think carefully about control while on mushrooms.
It feels like something outside of the person is controlling the person’s thoughts.
The person tries to control their thoughts, but they lose the feeling of controlling their thoughts.
The person becomes afraid about what thoughts they will receive next.
The person feels like they are helpless and dependent on a hidden force that controls their thoughts.
They have no power to control the hidden source of their thoughts.
They have no alternative but to trust the hidden source of thoughts.
June 20, 2019 2:21 am
“Rain Ego Death.m4a”
download url for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-grpzqAerwN
stereophonicleft channel: Shure – SM57 dynamic mic, cardioid pattern. rumble cut switch. 8:00 12:00 3:00
right channel: CAD – M39 large-diaphragm condenser mic, omni pattern. rumble cut switch. 10:00 1:30 2:00
June 24, 9:01 pm
Voice recording: Off-the-cuff summary of Egodeath theory, June 24, 2019
Filename: “Summary 2019-06-24 (CAD-M39 AudEq).mp3”
Download URL for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-82BUPyjFgP
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Production notes:
CAD M39 large-diaphragm condenser mic, cardioid pattern, mic’s low-cut switch, recorded dry/flat to DR-05 field recorder in mono, eq’d in laptop, exported as 320 kbps MP3.
Project files sequence:
190624_0652Orig.wav from DR-05 — raw tracking file; long silences
190624_0652_cadm39direct_trimmedsilence.aup
exported as 190624_0652.wav put back onto the DR-05 32MB microSD card
190624_0652_cadm39direct_trimmedsilence_eq.aup — has eq added
exported as Summary 2019-06-24 (CAD-M39 AudEq).mp3
uploaded
June 24, 2019 10:48 pm
Voice recording with effects: Off-the-cuff summary of Egodeath theory, June 24, 2019
Filename: “Summary 2019-06-24 fx (CAD-M39).mp3”
Download URL for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-xfq6kuIOFO
Length: 39:41 (album-length)
Filesize: 95 MB
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Production notes:
Started with mono direct/dry CAD M39 mic in 190624_0652.wav (5:55 long) which was silence-trimmed like “Summary 2019-06-24 (CAD-M39 AudEq).mp3” but without eq, on a TASCAM DR-05 field recorder.
Treble boost
dbx – 266xs Compressor & Expander/Gate
tc electronic – Flashback delay
tc electronic – Hall of Fame reverb
Recorded in stereo on a TASCAM DR-05 field recorder as file “190624_0961.wav”.
Project file: “Summary 2019-06-24 fx (CAD-M39).aud” – normalized
Exported as 320 kbps MP3
Jun 29 2019 2:48 pm
Short spoken clips from 190624_0652.wav (= recorded on June 24, 2019)
folder name: 190624_0652_wav_extracts
29 .wav files.
length: 4 minutes
the download url for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-xqKp44vPUT
Adding EQ on playback:
iTunes on iPhone can play these short .wav files.
These files are direct from the mic with no eq or processing. They need bright speakers or treble boost.
For iTunes on iPhone, “Settings: Music: EQ” works, but might take about 15 seconds or a couple plays of a given .wav file.
On Sony 7506 headphones, I use Treble Boost.
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Production notes:
Mic: CAD – M39 large diaphragm condenser mic, cardioid, no low-cut switch?, recorded in mono with no eq or processing on TASCAM DR-05 field recorder, to create file in 190624_0652.wav which was 5:55 long after trimming silence.
From that file, I copied and exported selected excerpts as .wav files.
Jun 29 8:35pm
Egodeath summary recording, as fx-processed snippets (eq’d) – version 1 of 2
filename: “Egodeath 652 snippets fx (CAD M39).mp3”
download URL for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-DbVFJIPnyz
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Production notes:
Mic: CAD – M39 large diaphragm condenser mic, on cardioid, no eq, as 190624_0652.wav (= tracked June 24, 2019) file.
TASCAM – DR-05 field recorder loaded with that file’s excerpted .wav snippets in laptop folder “190624_0652_wav_extracts”
MXR eq (Mastering monitors: Sony – MDR-7506 studio tracking headphones)
dbx dynamics processor
tc electronics – Flashback stereo delay
tc electronics – Hall of Fame stereo reverb
Recorded to TASCAM – DR-05 field recorder as 190629_0658.wav (= processed June 29, 2019) (that’s version 1)
Loaded and saved as project “190629_0658.aup” — trimmed, norm’d, deleted some, moved tail to middle
Exported as “Egodeath 652 snippets fx (CAD M39).mp3”
Version 2, a separate take, will be cleaned up and exported from 190629_0659.wav and 190629_0660.wav.
8:37pm
Egodeath summary recording, as fx-processed snippets (eq’d) – version 1 of 2
filename: “Egodeath 652 snippets fx (CAD M39).mp3”
length: 10:30
download URL for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-DbVFJIPnyz
filesize: 25MB
9:54 pm
Egodeath summary recording, as fx-processed snippets (eq’d) – version 2 of 2
filename: “Egodeath 652 snippets fx v2 (CAD M39).mp3”
length: 11:57
download URL for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-Jg9LnjHAl2
filesize: 29MB
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Production notes: basically same as for v1.
Mic: CAD – M39 large diaphragm condenser mic, on cardioid, no eq, as 190624_0652.wav (= tracked June 24, 2019) file.
TASCAM – DR-05 field recorder loaded with that file’s excerpted .wav snippets in laptop folder “190624_0652_wav_extracts”
MXR eq (Mastering monitors: Sony – MDR-7506 studio tracking headphones)
dbx dynamics processor
tc electronics – Flashback stereo delay
tc electronics – Hall of Fame stereo reverb
Recorded to TASCAM – DR-05 field recorder as 190629_0659.wav & 190629_0660.wav (= processed June 29, 2019) (those are version 2)
Loaded and saved as project “190629_0659.aup” (190629_0660.aup was folded in) — trimmed, norm’d, deleted some
Exported as “Egodeath 652 snippets fx v2 (CAD M39).mp3”
June 30 11:55pm
voice recording: “Perceiving the Control Source.mp3” (recorded June 23, 2019)
download URL for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-HpTFlkpD0y
lenth: about 1:30
This is a precursor to the excellent but quieter-voiced “190624_0652.wav” source file.
This is a tribute to the next day’s track 652, but is also noteworthy because of more standard vocalization (louder; fuller).
June 30 11:58 pm
voice recording: “Perceiving the Control Source.mp3” (recorded June 23, 2019)
download URL for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-HpTFlkpD0y
length: about 1:01
This is a precursor to the excellent but quieter-voiced “190624_0652.wav” source file.
This is a tribute to the next day’s track 652, but is also noteworthy because of more standard vocalization (louder; fuller).
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Production notes:
Mic: CAD – M39, large diaphragm condenser mic, dry; no EQ in tracking file
tracking file: 190623_0649.wav
project file used to trim down to the excerpt: “190623_0649_wav excerpt.aup”
EQ: applied saved curve “CAD M39 03”, in the box
July 6 9:52pm
Egodeath Theory vocalization practice
Filename: “EDT M39 voc 2019-07-04 _1015 eq.wav”
Length: 12:09
Filesize: 64MB
Download URL for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-yHxRZsmc3e
Production notes:
Mic: CAD – M39 large-diaphragm condenser
Filename pattern:
o EDT (= Egodeath Theory)
o Mic model
o Focus (miking, vocalization, or content)
o Date originally recorded
o File number(s) of original recording(s)
o Signal processing if any
o Filename extension
Eq: in app, “CAD M39 04”
July 7 4:37 am
Egodeath Theory mic demos
Filename: “EDT M39 mic 2019-07-04 _742 _743 eq.wav”
Length: 2:38
Mic: CAD – M39 large-diaphragm condenser (Pattern: Cardioid, Bass Cut: Off)
Filename: “EDT SM57 mic 2019-07-04 _733 eq.wav”
Length: 1:39
Mic: Shure – SM57 dynamic
Filename: EDT “e609 mic 2019-07-04 _759 _1032 eq.wav”
Length: 8:43
Mic: Sennheiser – e609 dynamic
Download URL for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-SiMUKkZ0Nu
..zip filesize: 56.3MB
Filename pattern:
o EDT (= Egodeath Theory)
o Mic model
o Focus (miking, vocalization, or content)
o Date originally recorded
o File number(s) of original recording(s)
o Signal processing if any
o Filename extension
Eq: hardware
August 3, 2019 7:59 p.m.
4 new voice recordings.
Raw files, a bit slow-paced
The download URL for 1 week: https://we.tl/t-CCpO7XoNjH
Filename 1: “No chatting name of theory.m4a”
Length: 3:24 (iPhone bottom mic)
In 200-character posts format, it’s all about packing-in good keywords that don’t evoke misleading connotations, but get directly to the central point. In practice, a set of 200-character posts, each with 4-5 highly summarized ideas.
Filename 2: “Chat post summaries commentary.m4a”
Length: 36:17 (iPhone bottom mic)
Some of the summaries are posted below.
Filename 3: “The religion of the future.m4a”
Length: 12:07 (iPhone bottom mic)
The religion of the future is direct, public summarization of the altered-state experience of no-free-will.
Including preexisting future, block-universe worldline, non-(meta)-control — and instead of a single literalist metaphor-system as a user interface skin that serves to obscure and confuse and prevent accessing the core knowledge, there will be a mapping of the explicit simple core model of time and control, to each extant brand or metaphor system, including technology metaphors like in the Rush songs The Body Electric (from Grace Under Pressure), and Vital Signs (from Moving Pictures).
Instead of the main emphasis being a particular UI skin (metaphor system), with fewer than 1% of people accessing the core knowledge, the main emphasis will be on the core knowledge, assisted by subservient mapping to all the various analogy and metaphor systems.
Filename 4: “Reducing the size and value of wisdom (budmic).m4a”
Length: 9:57 (iPhone earbud mic, mostly dangling rather than held in position)
The word ‘wisdom’ used in this title means the pearl held by the dragon, the treasure guarded by the serpent monster; transcendent knowledge; enlightenment, mental model augmentation or transformation adding a new model of control, time, and possibility.
The treasure guarded by the serpent monster, or the pearl held by the dragon, is the Egodeath theory.
{pearl, treasure} = the Egodeath theory = the knowledge mythology is analogy describing mushrooms loosening cognitive associations, giving an experience of frozen-time block-universe and personal control worldline with preexisting future control thoughts, changing the mental worldmodel from free-will control with an open future, to no-free-will with a preexisting future.
The worldmodel of self, time, control, and possibility branching, is sacrificed to gain the treasure of enlightenment and regeneration of self and world.
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Summary posts:
No-free-will, preexistence of one’s own future control-thoughts. Block-universe worldline likened to wise fearsome “snake” demands sacrifice, to gain treasure: wisdom.
Sacred Meal 🍄 in the Mystery Religions including Eucharist. Loosens mental associations, experience the higher state of experiencing. Speak the Mysteries, which are to be revealed.
Mystery Religion has been decoded, in clear summary, the greatest achievement of civilization, describing high experiential revelation.
Don’t let your mental world collapse when you hear these 3 revisionist ideas: ahistoricity of Jesus; visionary plants as Eucharist; no-free-will. These are not necessarily harmful ideas. It’s best to immunize people.
The “sun worship” theory of what religion is about, is secondary, reductionist; physical/literalist. It can’t explain the intense mystic altered state of experiencing. There’s nothing of Dionysus in it.
Mature esoteric 2-level religion is *rational* discovery of no-free-will mental model in the altered state. Only lower, exoteric, beginners’ religion is *irrational*.
“Born again” in esoteric religion means you experienced the feeling of the death of personal control agency in the mystic state, then formed a new model of control and time.
Most theories of religious mythology don’t account for religious experiencing (the intense peak mystic altered state), so are reductionist, ordinary-state based.
Myth describes e.g. battle with serpent demons guarding treasure, then the armchair theorists say myth means observing celestial bodies – mostly wrong; misses the primary referent and origin of myth.
The primary meaning of myth is analogies describing the sacred meal inducing the altered state. The secondary meaning is celestial bodies.
The Greeks with their Mystery Religion would look at us moderns as outsiders, non-initiates, like children or animals.
We have the potential to figure out high ancient Greek culture, myth, Mystery Religion.
This is a golden age for scholars studying ancient religious texts, many translations becoming available, a renaissance.
Scholars are no longer hampered by heavy-handed Christian bias like they were in the early 20th Century. Now scholars are able to be more objective in interpreting ancient texts.
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People liked my clearly-written posts about Calvinism and double-predestination. I didn’t capture them. Something like:
Some people are destined to be saved, and other people are destined to not be saved. Their control-thoughts were created not by the person, but by the Creator, before time began.
Skipped 1 Post
todo: get from Yahoo Mail
August 10, 2019 5:41 a.m.
Mythology is primarily analogies that serve to describe the experiential phenomena in the altered state that results from ingesting the psychoactive sacred meal, as in Mystery Religion and the Eucharist with its real presence of the mind-transforming god-figure.
Visionary plants cause loose cognitive association, as in “dissolve and re-coagulate”, causing an experience of frozen-time block-universe no-free-will, with pre-existing control thoughts frozen in rock. The stream of one’s control thoughts frozen in time is snake-shaped; it is the worldline in the unveiled block universe.
Mythology and fiction are both broad, and ancient fiction has mythemes. Key mythemes include king, tree, branching vs. nonbranching, rock, wine, sacrifice of a ruler or child, snake/ serpent/ dragon monster, death, and transformation.
The theory of religious mythology as analogy describing visionary plants causing loose cognition and experiencing block-universe no-free-will, monopossibility, and a kind of non-control and cancelling of personal moral culpability
Psychotomimetics cause loose cognitive association, as in the term ‘psycholytics’ (mind looseners), and mania: sacred madness, frenzy.
The loose cognitive state causes an experience of block universe no-free-will and noncontrol, including the fearsome snake-shaped frozen worldline of one’s control-thoughts.
The Eucharistic sacred meal is given by the god, as in Mystery Religion; carried to the elect, predestined recipients by their snake-shaped worldline.
Consuming the sacred meal transforms the mental model of control agency and time.
The dragon serpent is one’s pre-existing worldline frozen into the rock-like block universe.
The dragon guards the treasure or pearl of wisdom, demanding sacrifice of the king or child in order to gain the treasure of knowledge about control, time, and moral agency.
The “king” or “child” that must be sacrificed is the original freewill-based control assumption and the assumption of the open future.
The original assumptions about controlling and steering among possibilities to create the future must be sacrificed, to restore stable control that can withstand this transformative trial.
Traditional world religious mythology is analogies, key mythemes, that describe the experience of repudiating the original, assumed freewill basis of control power, in order to withstand the vision of pre-existing control thoughts.
The mind has the innate religious capability to have stable control in the intense mystic state, by relying on a new basis and source of control.
Mentally developing this new basis of control through a series of initiation sessions enables gaining and retaining gnosis, bringing the numinous, terrifying and ecstatic vision of the block-universe worldline snake back into mundane life in the ordinary state.
This peak religious experience that deeply transforms thinking about moral agency has been valued most highly.
Traditional world religious mythology such as Jewish, Christian, Greek, Roman, Hellenistic, Ancient Near East, and Northern, engages with the peak experiences and describes transformation of thinking about control, to survive the corrective ordeal while successfully gaining the new mental model of self, world, control, and time.
Assess the value of the Holy Spirit, visionary plants, the loose cognitive association state, the resulting experience of pre-existing thoughts and no-free-will. Critique the world tradition of valuing these things most highly.
Visionary plants were traditionally considered the sacred meal that gives moral transformation, peak experiencing, salvation, gnosis, revelation, purification, exorcism, enlightenment, redemption, regeneration, Transcendent Knowledge.
Poison or medicine, fatal snake bite or looking at Moses’ brass snake on a pole to cure the fatal snake bite, is a matter of positioning, usage, application of the powerful tool.
The revelation of the pre-existence of the future and no-free-will, a kind of non-control, and the illusory nature of possibility branching, could harm or elevate civilization.
9:08pm
Religious mythology is primarily analogy describing visionary plants causing the intense mystic altered state of loose cognitive association, which causes the experience of rock-like frozen-time block-universe no-free-will, confronting the snake-shaped worldline of pre-existing personal control thoughts, leading to a new mental worldmodel of time, self, possibility, and control.
These analogies that describe the altered-state experiences include tree, snake, rock, king, wine, death, dismemberment, madness, sacrificing a child, storm and then calm, and exorcising an animal-like demon. (also heaven, hell, afterlife, resurrection, rebirth)
Christianity has lots of great legitimate religious mythemes from the Ancient Near East.
Esoteric, insiders’ Christianity tends to “break” lower, literalist, exoteric Christianity.
Future religion: everyone knows gnosis/ enlightenment/ esoteric wisdom, and knows how it maps to all the mythemes and metaphors from various religions.
Western Esotericism studies are thriving; figured out gnosis, Mystery Religion, the treasure/pearl of wisdom guarded by the dragon; esoteric religion.
In the daily ordinary state, we experience as-if freewill. In the mystic state (as myth describes), underlying no-free-will is experienced/revealed, giving the additional mental model, traditionally considered “higher”.
🍄🐍
Western Esotericism scholarship is suddenly increasing; it’s a golden age/renaissance for the field.
Identifying the *primary* referent of mythology requires studying world mythology, Ancient Near East myth including Jewish/Christian/Greek/Roman, Northern myth, Western Esotericism. Beware partial/secondary solutions.
Aug 10 2019 10:37 pm
The block-universe worldline snake 🐍 guards the treasure: gnosis of no free will, pre-made future. Mythology is analogy describing sacred 🍄 meal causing loose cognitive association to transform the mental model of time, control, & possibility.
The secret revealed knowledge in peak Western Civilization culture, the dragon-guarded treasure: no-free-will, unveiled in the visionary-plant state.
Shocking heresies in each major area of the Egodeath theory:
o in Analogy: No historical Jesus, no literal Heaven or Hell for moral agents
o in Loosecog: Religion/eucharist comes from 🍄
o in Time: The future is pre-existing and closed
o in Control: No-free-will, no meta control
Everyone is innocent of killing Jesus, who was a mythic composite figure – a Jewish-styled Hellenistic mystery cult savior figure.
Insane sophistry preached by exoteric thinkers: Christ is lord of all people, therefore there is no separation, no individuation, no differentiation; we are all the same person, one family, one kin, one nation, spiritually and metaphorically, and therefore literally as well.
At the lower, exoteric, literalist, childish-thinking level, we have perpetual standoff between Christianity, Paganism, and Scientific Atheism. They can be allied but not integrated, on the lower, exoteric level. Christianity, Paganism, and Scientific Atheism are not only allied, but integrated, on the esoteric level.
Hyper hyper-Calvinism: everything is God’s fault, the future is closed and pre-existing. At all points in time, you are forced to think and will what the Creator has made you think and will at that point. Hell for moral punishment and Heaven for moral reward are metaphorical.
High art describes the sacred meal visionary state, the cognitive changes that it causes, forming the new model of control and time.
The tragedy is the unveiling of no-free-will, inability to change and create the future, which is experienced as closed when in the altered state.
The simple theory of no-free-will is completely offensive to religious preconceptions about moral agency in mundane daily life, and that’s part of what makes the altered state such a radically transformative experience.
Church Fathers before Augustine in 400 asserted freewill.
Augustine began with no-free-will, asserted freewill, then returned to no-free-will.
We can expect the Bible to waffle and even highlight waffling – consistently inconsistent – God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, Pharaoh’s heart was hardened by God, Pharaoh hardened his heart against God.
We can expect the Church Fathers to waffle.
We can expect Calvinists to waffle, in their impure thinking, except for the hyper hyper-Calvinists who go all the way to consistency.
If you expect to find consistent no-free-will asserted in Hellenistic religion or in the Bible or in historical Theology, that’s naive. Expect normally to find a wishy-washy, inconsistent jumble. The best that the Egodeath theory matches this prevarication is modal:
In the ordinary state (tight cognitive binding), the mind experiences freewill, moral agency, open future, multiple branching possibilities.
In the altered state (loose cognitive binding), the mind experiences no-free-will, frozen-time block-universe worldline, pre-existing control thoughts, closed future, monopossibility.
I don’t “like” Christianity, Atheism, Gnosticism, Mystery Religions, Calvinism, or Catholic Theology, and I don’t agree with them. They are all poorly organized worldmodels, compared to the Egodeath theory. They are the old explanatory paradigm to be replaced by this superior explanatory framework.
The most idiotic and unprofitable debate, by complete outsiders, is “Does God exist?” No one bothers defining ‘God’. Forget Epistemology; cognitive phenomenology is way more relevant.
Destined to be regenerated by the real presence of esoteric Christ in the Eucharist
If truth is important: Hell is esoteric mythic description of mystic-state experiencing.
If Christianity is truth, at least the esoteric level of Christianity must reveal Jesus as a composite mythic figure.
The 🐍serpent is the #1 mytheme; it means one’s pre-set worldline, frozen in the rock-like block universe, in the altered state from the 🍄sacred meal in mystery religion. The snake monster guards gnosis.
Immature, exoteric outsider Christians, those on the outside who don’t understand Jesus’ parables, haven’t heard of Richard Carrier, Robert Price, Earl Doherty, or the Jesus Myth theory.
Traditionalists include esotericists, who know that religion originates from the esoteric, nonliteral level and that the literalist, exoteric level of religion is derivative and untrue.
For those who want it or can benefit from it, esoteric gnosis is available, connecting the factions which are against each other on the lower level: Christianity, Paganism, and Scientific Atheism.
Providing the esoteric gnosis part is now easy, and mapping esoteric gnosis to the lower camps is easy, but how to support each feuding lower camp is unclear.
The main lower camps are exoteric Christianity, Paganism, and Atheism.
Even altered-state Atheism can be fundamentalist, exoteric, hostile to Transcendent Knowledge, stuck determinedly in its (false) opposition to Christianity and Paganism.
There is much overlap between Christianity, Paganism, and Scientific Atheism, especially perceptible from within the higher, esoteric level.
“The chosen” are those who are predestined to understand no-free-will.
Exoteric followers of the early Church Fathers prior to later Augustine, form a religion based on (typically) naive freewill, or (ideally) super-cosmic surpassing of high no-free-will, punching through the sphere of fixed stars into the ultra-transcendent heavens.
Religion supports family, but literalist exoteric religion is false. True religion that supports family values can and must include esoteric religion like that of Paul, the New Testament Jesus, the later Augustine, and hyper hyper-Calvinism.
Swoon theory: Jesus was alive when removed from the cross.
post says “accidentally deleted extra spacing”, maybe below has better:
10:53 pm – has more at bottom, than the above version
The block-universe worldline snake 🐍 guards the treasure: gnosis of no free will, pre-made future. Mythology is analogy describing sacred 🍄 meal causing loose cognitive association to transform the mental model of time, control, & possibility.
The 🐍serpent is the #1 mytheme; it means one’s pre-set worldline, frozen in the rock-like block universe, in the altered state from the 🍄sacred meal in mystery religion. The snake monster guards gnosis.
The secret revealed knowledge in peak Western Civilization culture, the dragon-guarded treasure: no-free-will, unveiled in the visionary-plant state.
Shocking heresies in each major area of the Egodeath theory:
o in Analogy: No historical Jesus, no literal Heaven or Hell for moral agents
o in Loosecog: Religion/eucharist comes from 🍄
o in Time: The future is pre-existing and closed
o in Control: No-free-will, no meta control
Everyone is innocent of killing Jesus, who was a mythic composite figure — a Jewish-styled Hellenistic mystery cult savior figure.
Insane sophistry preached by exoteric thinkers: Christ is lord of all people, therefore there is no separation, no individuation, no differentiation; we are all the same person, one family, one kin, one nation, spiritually and metaphorically, and therefore literally as well.
At the lower, exoteric, literalist, childish-thinking level, we have perpetual standoff between Christianity, Paganism, and Scientific Atheism. They can be allied but not integrated, on the lower, exoteric level. Christianity, Paganism, and Scientific Atheism are not only allied, but integrated, on the esoteric level.
Hyper hyper-Calvinism: everything is God’s fault, the future is closed and pre-existing. At all points in time, you are forced to think and will what the Creator has made you think and will at that point. Hell for moral punishment and Heaven for moral reward are metaphorical.
High art describes the sacred meal visionary state, the cognitive changes that it causes, forming the new model of control and time.
The tragedy is the unveiling of no-free-will, inability to change and create the future, which is experienced as closed when in the altered state.
The simple theory of no-free-will is completely offensive to religious preconceptions about moral agency in mundane daily life, and that’s part of what makes the altered state such a radically transformative experience.
The Church Fathers before Augustine in 400 asserted freewill.
Augustine began with no-free-will, asserted freewill, then returned to no-free-will.
We can expect the Bible to waffle and even highlight waffling – consistently inconsistent – God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, Pharaoh’s heart was hardened by God, Pharaoh hardened his heart against God.
We can expect the Church Fathers to waffle.
We can expect Calvinists to waffle, in their impure thinking, except for the hyper hyper-Calvinists who go all the way to consistency.
If you expect to find consistent no-free-will asserted in Hellenistic religion or in the Bible or in historical Theology, that’s naive. Expect normally to find a wishy-washy, inconsistent jumble.
The Egodeath theory has a modal way of providing relevant prevarication, actually experienced:
In the ordinary state (tight cognitive binding), the mind experiences freewill, moral agency, open future, multiple branching possibilities.
In the altered state (loose cognitive binding), the mind experiences no-free-will, frozen-time block-universe worldline, pre-existing control thoughts, closed future, monopossibility.
I don’t “like” Christianity, Atheism, Gnosticism, Mystery Religions, Calvinism, or Catholic Theology, and I don’t agree with them. They are all poorly organized worldmodels, compared to the Egodeath theory. They are the old explanatory paradigm to be replaced by this superior explanatory framework.
The most idiotic and unprofitable debate, by complete outsiders, is “Does God exist?” No one bothers defining ‘God’. Forget Epistemology; cognitive phenomenology is way more relevant.
Swoon theory: Jesus was alive when removed from the cross.
Added:
The elect are destined to be regenerated by the real presence of esoteric Christ in the Eucharist.
“The chosen” are those who are predestined to understand no-free-will.
If truth is important: Hell is esoteric mythic description of mystic-state experiencing.
If Christianity is truth, at least the esoteric level of Christianity must reveal Jesus as a composite mythic figure.
Immature, exoteric outsider Christians, those on the outside who don’t understand Jesus’ parables, haven’t heard of Richard Carrier, Robert Price, Earl Doherty, or the Jesus Myth theory.
Traditionalists include esotericists, who know that religion originates from the esoteric, nonliteral level and that the literalist, exoteric level of religion is derivative and untrue.
For those who want it or can benefit from it, esoteric gnosis is available, connecting the factions which are against each other on the lower level: Christianity, Paganism, and Scientific Atheism.
Providing the esoteric gnosis part is now easy, and mapping esoteric gnosis to the lower camps is easy, but how to support each feuding lower camp is unclear.
The main lower camps are exoteric Christianity, Paganism, and Atheism.
Even altered-state Atheism can be fundamentalist, exoteric, hostile to Transcendent Knowledge, stuck determinedly in its (false) opposition to Christianity and Paganism.
There is much overlap between Christianity, Paganism, and Scientific Atheism, especially perceptible from within the higher, esoteric level.
Exoteric followers of the early Church Fathers prior to later Augustine, form a religion based on (typically) naive freewill, or (ideally) super-cosmic surpassing of high no-free-will, punching through the sphere of fixed stars into the ultra-transcendent heavens.
Religion supports family, but literalist exoteric religion is false. True religion that supports family values can and must include esoteric religion like that of Paul, the New Testament Jesus, the later Augustine, and hyper hyper-Calvinism.
Aug 10 11:02pm
Christianity based on naive freewill thinking is non-transformative, like Job’s incorrect, moralist neighbors, who sin in assuming conventional moral agency thinking.
Exoteric religion is ordinary-state based; there’s nothing of Dionysus in it, no knowledge of God except in a reductionists, moralizing way.
Exoteric religion is naive freewill religion; single-level religion.
Any lunkhead, ordinary-state based, unregenerate, conventional Catholic non-religious outsider will tell you, Christianity is really just about moral conduct.
There’s nothing of the numinous, nothing shocking, nothing that shakes the mind to its foundations as a control agent.
Exoteric religion only has knowledge of God in a reduced way, the conception of God held by the animal-like freewill moral agent.
Aug 13 9:28 pm
I’m not motivated by moralism or truth; I am motivated by identifying a compact elegant model that describes the phenomenology. Conceptual coherence.
I am not concerned whether someone agrees with the theory; I am concerned that they appreciate and understand its compact potent explanatory power, its clarity as an extremely simple model, its beauty and elegance as a theory.
The extreme compactness or compactibility of the Egodeath theory is one of its greatest merits and contributions.
It’s not so much a matter of agreeing with the theory, as knowing what the theory is. It serves as a perfect, clear, specific, highly specified point of reference for any debates.
You can’t get any simpler than saying “in the ordinary state we experience free will, in the altered state we experience no free will”, and this is the most intense experience, that causes a change of mental world model, or at least presents a surprising intense alternate model.
Religious mythology describes the change from ordinary state free will experiencing to altered state no free will experiencing which is the most intense and remarkable experiencing.
Religion which tries to downplay no free will inevitably eliminates the most intense experiencing. The holy spirit combined with avoiding no free will is disempowered and reduced.
Advocating the Egodeath theory does not mean asserting no free will; advocating the theory means advocating the theory as the most interesting, simple, compact, elegant explanation of the phenomena experienced in the altered state, and advocating this impressively simple explanation of mythology in terms of the altered-state experience of non-kingship per the vision of the person’s block universe worldline.
Start with the simplest explanation, the simplest, most potent theory: the ordinary state experiencing is the possiblism model; the altered state experiencing is the eternalism model. Mythology and theology are less-explicit reflections of this contrast.
ripe wrote: aug 15 1pm (i haven’t read)
> I’m not motivated by moralism or truth; I am motivated by identifying a compact elegant model that describes the phenomenology. Conceptual coherence.
If you turn away from moral and truth, it’s like you are turn away from God.
Sound like, moral and truth (which come from God) is less important compared with what your awesome-human-mind can conceive. Are you losing your soul Michael?
This remind me:
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
– Timothy 4:3-4
Your ego-death theory sound now more like a New Age religion, where SIN is not anymore consider, but the power inside humans: you are teaching that we can become like god?
What is more important to you? Become god on earth and lost your soul or to remain humble and join God after death?
Born-again means change your mind and hearth in-line with God Words, and not become god.
Your own ego-death theory suggest that our thoughts come from outside. If is not from God, from whom you are getting this info?
Good Luck with your research and may God guide you and not your human-mind.
August 24, 2019, 11:15 p.m.
These are increasingly accessible, plain-spoken, direct and blunt, ultra-condensed summaries of the Egodeath theory.
“The Egodeath theory” is a label for a simple, compact set of ideas: the analogy/psychedelics/no-free-will explanation of religious mythology and the nature of primary religious experiencing, and the nature of Transcendent Knowledge.
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SIMPLICITY OF GNOSIS; HOW EASY IT IS TO SUMMARIZE GNOSIS
Gnosis is merely the altered-state experience of no-free-will, pre-existences of control-thoughts.
Gnosis — the peak achievement of western civilization — is the altered-state experience of no-free-will regenerating the mental model of self, time, and control.
🌳⚡🍄🐍✝ sacred meal -> intense mystic altered state -> experience the frozen block-universe with pre-existing snake-shaped worldline of control thoughts & no-free-will.
The pearl of gnosis guarded by snake dragon monster is experience of no-free-will, the peak experience that transforms, from Eucharistic sacred meal; revelation = alt-state no-free-will.
Gnosis wisdom enlightenment: sacred meal 🍄 altered state experience of no-free-will, block-universe worldline 🐍 of your pre-existing control-thoughts.
Gnosis, peak enlightenment is nothing but merely the experience of no-free-will, which cancels moral culpability. Religious myth describes altered-state experience of pre-existing control-thoughts.
Here is proof that turgid intellectual writing is B.S.: the highest gnosis revelation is simply the altered-state experience of block-universe no-fee-will, perceiving the uncontrollable pre-existence of control-thoughts; easy to express.
Heidegger: 10,000 turgid pages < Euro-Americans: 120-character text message 🌳⚡🍄🐍✝
Real Philosophy is dirt-simple. Complexity of expression indicates fake posturing pseudo-Philosophy.
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UNIVERSAL INNATE NATURE OF RELIGION
The mind has innate ability to deeply revise the mental model of control and time in visionary state, = origin of religion.
World religious mythology is evidence that all minds transform the same way in the altered state; gnosis or esoteric revelation applies universally.
The loose cognitive association state from the Eucharist’s Holy Spirit is the visionary state to regenerate and purify.
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AUTHENTIC EUCHARIST
🍄 Eucharist flesh of Christ, vehicle of the Holy Spirit to regenerate the mental model of moral agency.
Exoteric Catholics don’t have the authentic effective Eucharist, to change the mind.
Agape Meal = Eucharist = love for God = sacred meal inducing altered-state Holy Spirit in Mystery Religion.
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SCIENCE ACHIEVEMENTS
The greatest Science achievement is internal, about cognition: decoding mythemes as analogy describing altered-state no-free-will experience & mental model. We went beyond the sphere of the fixed stars.
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SACRIFICE
The authentic sacrifice is of one’s freewill mental model in the mystic state, which deeply changes moral agency. Literalist sacrifice is misguided and ineffective.
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SERPENT/SNAKE
🐍 = the block universe worldline of fated preexisting control-thoughts revealed by Mystery Religion sacred meal = Wisdom tradition = treasure/pearl guarded by dragon/serpent, won by hero with divine help.
Don’t disparage the snake 🐍🐉, the shape of peak wisdom. Experiential revelation of worldline of preset control-thoughts frozen into the block universe.
The snake mytheme is bi-valent; positive valued and negative valued. Highest gnosis is seeing block-universe snake-shaped preset worldline of your preexisting control-thoughts; 🐍 = wisdom, gnosis, regeneration.
Mythemes: dragon 🐉 guards the treasure of gnosis, Transcendent Knowledge. Dragon is the snake monster to reconcile with, frozen block-universe preset path of your life.
Jesus said as a sign, he must be lifted up like Moses’ brass snake on a pole. Snake is #1 mytheme, describes preset path of control-thoughts frozen into the block universe experienced in the Holy Spirit.
The Vatican building represents the snake. Looking at Moses’ rigid brass snake on a pole (a de-branched tree) heals “fatal snake bite”. Serpent/ snake/ 🐉 dragon monster guards treasure of Transcendent Knowledge, of no-free-will.
🐍 = the block universe worldline of fated pre-existing control-thoughts revealed by Mystery Religion sacred meal = Wisdom tradition = treasure/pearl guarded by dragon/serpent, won by hero with divine help.
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KING
Jesus on the cross is a king, thus is an instance of the widespread mytheme of {king hung fastened helplessly on a tree}.
Lots of Hellenistic-type mythemes in Christ’s Passion story: mocking the king and Mystery Religion initiates (impotence of freewill agency), king hung helpless in branching tree, reborn from rock cave.
Personal king-like control-power evaporates upon perceiving the pre-existing path of your control-thoughts frozen into the spacetime block.
_______________________
SHOCKING THEORIES
Heresy theories:
The swoon theory
The Christ Myth theory
No-free-will revelation
Chronology revision
🍄 the source of religion
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TWO TYPES OF CHRISTIANITY
Literalist religion is popular; metaphorical mystic-state religion is less common; primitive cultures sit halfway between.
Most religionists and atheists sound like a fool when characterizing religion. Need more esotericism awareness.
Restorationist Esoteric Christianity
The true church is esoteric Christians regenerated by the Holy Spirit from the real presence in the sacred meal Eucharist.
Esoteric religion contradicts exoteric, they are somehow “compatible”. Two meanings of “heaven” & “hell”.
Esoteric Christians love literalist immature outsider exoteric Christians.
Christianity is Hellenistic mystery religion expressed with Jewish elements.
Lower-level religion is moral conduct of life.
Higher religion is altered-state (Holy Spirit) revision of the mental model of moral control agency.
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ACCELERATIONIST CHRISTIANITY
The Bible plan: Christians put Antichrist on the throne in the temple and resume animal sacrifice for cleansing of sin – an ineffective religion of literalism that cannot cancel moral culpability and deeply transform the mind like the altered-state experience of timeless no-free-will with pre-existing control-thoughts.
Christians must help put antichrist on the throne in the temple that God tore down twice, and resume animal sacrifice for cleansing sin.
Christian accelerationism: Christians must help put antichrist on the throne in rebuilt template and restore animal sacrifice for cleansing sin.
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CONFLATION OF ‘UNITY’ WITH LACK OF DIFFERENTIATION
We are all united by Christ, but that doesn’t mean we are undifferentiated; that would be insanity and mental regression in Ken Wilber’s sense. Christ is lord over all, but that doesn’t mean dissolving all boundaries into an undifferentiated mass.
The Bible doesn’t assert insanity like “never judge, don’t make any distinctions, male is literally the same as female, we are an undifferentiated mass”. Insanity is dissolving into chaos all boundaries and distinctions.
Ken Wilber’s concept of the pre/trans fallacy, don’t conflate transcending mental structures, with the failure and chaotic dis-integration and breakdown of mental structures.
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REINCARNATION MYTHEME
“Reincarnation” is an analogy describing altered-state experiencing: forgetting the temporary vision of the higher model of control & time.
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ANDRO-GYNE
Mithras, Christ, and Dionysus were given male and female traits, per common mythemes.
Traditional culture includes Herme-Aphrodite in myth; andro-gyne: for example, Dionysus had female traits.
In ancient Athens, men played the women’s roles in plays.
Greeks culture many surprises. Men played the women roles in platys. Religious experience via rounds of mushroom wine (wide tradition of sacred meals), andro-gyne Dionysus.
Myth includes andro-gyne; Herme-Aphrodite. Altered-state experiencing of “inability to control one’s pre-existing control-thoughts” is like “being female”, ie. involuntarily receptive of thoughts from the male source.
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ATHEISM DECLINE
Religious founder figures are mythic composite figures also incorporating historical individuals.
Atheism fell off a cliff a few years ago. That is revealed in the dates on YouTube Christ Myth Richard Carrier videos.
Atheism is ignorant of higher mind peak experience (as is exoteric religion, and lower Cognitive Science).
Christ-myth research thrived around 2005-2015, and won, with the pathetic response from Bart Ehrman, and then fell off a cliff a few years ago around 2014-2016.
Atheism sharply plummeted when Richard Carrier pushed Atheism Plus and everyone ran away, a few years after the 4 Atheists wrote their uninformed books that lacked awareness of mysticism or esoteric religion.
Around 2010, it was dominant Christians vs. underdog Atheists.
In 2019, it’s split unclearly between Atheism, Paganism, and Christianity advocates.
I completely stopped following Christ Myth research around the time Richard Carrier wrote his first book.
I was a leader within the heart of Christ Myth research, though the JesusMysteries discussion-group moderators overrode people’s asking me for the updated, improved mushroom alternative theory replacing Allegro’s poorly formed, anti-Christian version of the theory.
I provided some better formulations of the ideas such as what does “Historical Jesus” mean instead of conventional ideas that “Jesus was really this particular historical minor figure I latched onto”.
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MUSIC
Some Metal is truly classic; it describes peak esoteric altered-state experiencing. mundane conservatives disparage Sabbath and Ozzy, but Bob Daisley’s Ozzy album _Diary of a Madman_ is epic and classic by traditional standards.
Classic Metal includes the altered-state revelation of no-free-will — peak culture.
Rap music probably has few lyrics about the peak-state revelation of mind-transforming block-universe worldline 🐍.
Boomers invented electric Rock ⚡🎸🎹⚡ music including some peak-state classic Dionysian revelation of block-universe no-free-will.
Strangely, in Beatles lyrics, only the early song Help! has solid altered-state classic-type lyrics.
Pink Floyd’s song “Learning to Fly” has solid classic altered-state description lyrics.
Country/Western music suffers the same problem as much conservative culture: it is limited to the mundane daily life, conduct of life, ordinary state of consciousness.
Mundane Country/Western music doesn’t reach up to describe the mind-changing experiences of the intense mystic altered state.
Liberal culture ends up holding the higher goods, inasmuch as it can, lacking the structure of conservative thinking.
The Egodeath theory was born from an outsider, break-the-mold combination of liberal and conservative culture or thought-styles.
Aug 25 2019, 1:25 am – might be typos, which might be fixed in subsequent post
hard to be certain, due to erratic system
These are increasingly accessible, plain-spoken, direct and blunt, ultra-condensed summaries of the Egodeath theory.
“The Egodeath theory” is a label for a simple, compact set of ideas.
The Egodeath theory is the analogy/ psychedelics/ no-free-will explanation of religious mythology and the nature of primary religious experiencing, and the nature of Transcendent Knowledge.
_______________________
SIMPLICITY OF GNOSIS; HOW EASY IT IS TO SUMMARIZE GNOSIS
Gnosis is merely the altered-state experience of no-free-will, perceiving the pre-existence of control-thoughts.
Gnosis — the peak achievement of western civilization — is the altered-state experience of no-free-will regenerating the mental model of self, time, and control.
Gnosis is the peak achievement of Western civilization.
Gnosis is the altered-state experience of no-free-will.
The repeated experience of timeless frozen block-universe no-free-will changes the mental model of self, time, and control.
The intense mystic altered state (loose cognitive association) causes experiencing block-universe no-free-will with pre-existing control-thoughts.
The intense mystic altered state causes experiencing block-universe no-free-will, with pre-existing control-thoughts.
Key mytheme sequence: {king steering tree wine battle die snake rock rebirth}
The king steers in a possibility-branching tree, drinks wine, battles, dies, transforms to a snake frozen in rock, then rebirth from the rock cave.
No-free-will cancels, transforms, and regenerates the mental model of self, time, and control.
The repeated block-universe experience changes the mental model of control and time.
🌳⚡🍄🐍✝ sacred meal -> intense mystic altered state -> experience the frozen block-universe with pre-existing snake-shaped worldline of control thoughts & no-free-will.
The pearl of gnosis guarded by snake dragon monster is experience of no-free-will, the peak experience that transforms, from Eucharistic sacred meal; revelation = alt-state no-free-will.
Gnosis wisdom enlightenment: sacred meal 🍄 altered state experience of no-free-will, block-universe worldline 🐍 of your pre-existing control-thoughts.
Gnosis, peak enlightenment is nothing but merely the experience of no-free-will, which cancels moral culpability.
Religious myth describes altered-state experience of pre-existing control-thoughts.
Here is proof that turgid intellectual writing is B.S.: the highest gnosis revelation is simply the altered-state experience of block-universe no-fee-will, perceiving the uncontrollable pre-existence of control-thoughts; easy to express.
Heidegger: 10,000 turgid pages < Euro-Americans: 120-character text message 🌳⚡🍄🐍✝
Real Philosophy is dirt-simple. Complexity of expression indicates fake posturing pseudo-Philosophy.
_______________________
UNIVERSAL INNATE NATURE OF RELIGION
The mind has innate ability to deeply revise the mental model of control and time in visionary state, = origin of religion.
World religious mythology is evidence that all minds transform the same way in the altered state; gnosis or esoteric revelation applies universally.
The loose cognitive association state, from the Eucharist’s Holy Spirit, is the visionary state, to regenerate and purify.
_______________________
AUTHENTIC EUCHARIST
🍄 Eucharist flesh of Christ, vehicle of the Holy Spirit to regenerate the mental model of moral agency.
Exoteric Catholics don’t have the authentic effective Eucharist, to change the mind.
Agape Meal = Eucharist = love for God = sacred meal inducing altered-state Holy Spirit in Mystery Religion.
_______________________
SCIENCE ACHIEVEMENTS
The greatest Science achievement is internal, about cognition: decoding mythemes as analogy describing altered-state no-free-will experience & mental model of time and control.
We went beyond the sphere of the fixed stars.
The greatest Science achievement is internal, about cognition.
The greatest Science achievement is decoding mythemes as analogy that describes altered-state no-free-will experience & transforming the mental model of time and control.
_______________________
SACRIFICE
The authentic sacrifice is of one’s freewill mental model in the mystic state, which deeply changes moral agency.
Literalist sacrifice is misguided and ineffective.
_______________________
SERPENT/SNAKE
🐍 = the block universe worldline of fated preexisting control-thoughts revealed by the Mystery Religion sacred meal = the Wisdom tradition = the treasure/pearl guarded by the dragon or serpent, won by the hero, with divine help.
The snake frozen in rock is like the block universe worldline of fated preexisting control-thoughts.
The pre-existence of control-thoughts is revealed by the Mystery Religion sacred meal.
The Wisdom tradition = the treasure or pearl guarded by the dragon or serpent.
The treasure of gnosis is obtained from the dragon, won by the hero and reconciled, with divine help.
Don’t disparage the snake 🐍🐉, the shape of peak wisdom.
Experiential revelation of worldline of preset control-thoughts frozen into the block universe.
The snake mytheme is bi-valent; positive valued and negative valued.
Highest gnosis is seeing the block-universe snake-shaped preset worldline of your preexisting control-thoughts.
🐍 = wisdom, gnosis, regeneration
Mythemes: dragon 🐉 guards the treasure of gnosis, Transcendent Knowledge.
The dragon is the snake monster to reconcile with, frozen block-universe preset path of your life.
Jesus said as a sign, he must be lifted up like Moses’ brass snake on a pole.
The snake is the #1 mytheme, because it describes the pre-set path of control-thoughts frozen into the block universe, experienced in the Holy Spirit.
The Vatican building represents the snake.
Looking at Moses’ rigid brass snake on a pole (a de-branched tree) heals “fatal snake bite”.
Serpent/ snake/ 🐉 dragon monster guards treasure of Transcendent Knowledge, of no-free-will.
🐍 = the block universe worldline of fated pre-existing control-thoughts revealed by Mystery Religion sacred meal = Wisdom tradition = treasure/pearl guarded by dragon/serpent, won by hero with divine help.
_______________________
KING
Jesus on the cross is a king, thus is an instance of the widespread mytheme of {king hung fastened helplessly on a tree}.
Lots of Hellenistic-type mythemes in Christ’s Passion story: mocking the king and Mystery Religion initiates (impotence of freewill agency), king hung helpless in branching tree, reborn from rock cave.
There are many Hellenistic-type mythemes in Christ’s Passion story.
Mocking the king and the Mystery Religion initiates means pointing out the impotence of freewill agency.
The king is hung and fastened helpless like a rigid snake in the branching tree, then is reborn from the rock cave.
Personal king-like control-power evaporates upon perceiving the pre-existing path of your control-thoughts frozen into the spacetime block.
_______________________
SHOCKING THEORIES
Heresy theories:
The swoon theory
The Christ Myth theory
No-free-will revelation
Chronology revision
🍄 the source of religion
_______________________
TWO TYPES OF CHRISTIANITY
Literalist religion is popular; metaphorical mystic-state religion is less common; primitive cultures sit halfway between.
Most religionists and atheists sound like a fool when characterizing religion.
More awareness of esotericism is needed, including Western Esotericism.
Restorationist Esoteric Christianity
The true church is esoteric Christians regenerated by the Holy Spirit from the real presence in the god’s sacred meal, the Eucharist.
Esoteric religion contradicts exoteric, they are somehow “compatible”.
There are two meanings of “heaven” & “hell”.
Esoteric Christians love literalist immature outsider exoteric Christians.
Christianity is Hellenistic mystery religion expressed with Jewish elements.
Lower-level religion is moral conduct of life.
Higher religion is altered-state (Holy Spirit) revision of the mental model of moral control agency.
_______________________
ACCELERATIONIST CHRISTIANITY
The Bible plan: Christians put Antichrist on the throne in the temple and resume animal sacrifice for cleansing of sin.
Christians must help put Antichrist on the throne in the temple that God tore down twice, and resume animal sacrifice for cleansing sin.
Christian accelerationism: Christians must help put Antichrist on the throne in rebuilt template and restore animal sacrifice for cleansing sin.
The actual, specific sacrifice is repudiating relying on the “branching open-future” model of time and control.
Animal sacrifice is an ineffective religion of literalism that cannot cancel moral culpability and deeply transform the mind like the altered-state experience of timeless no-free-will with pre-existing control-thoughts.
Animal sacrifice is an ineffective religion of literalism.
Sacrifice the “branching open-future” model of time and control.
Experiencing block-universe no-free-will cancels moral culpability and deeply transforms the mind.
Experiencing timeless frozen pre-existing control-thoughts cancels and transforms moral agency.
The mind is deeply transformed by the altered-state experience of timeless no-free-will with pre-existing control-thoughts.
_______________________
CONFLATION OF ‘UNITY’ WITH LACK OF DIFFERENTIATION
We are all united by Christ, but that doesn’t mean we are undifferentiated; that would be insanity and mental regression in Ken Wilber’s sense.
Christ is lord over all, but that doesn’t mean dissolving all boundaries into an undifferentiated mass.
The Bible doesn’t assert insanity like “never judge, don’t make any distinctions, male is literally the same as female, we are an undifferentiated mass”.
Insanity is dissolving into chaos all boundaries and distinctions.
Ken Wilber’s concept of the pre/trans fallacy, don’t conflate transcending mental structures, with the failure and chaotic dis-integration and breakdown of mental structures.
_______________________
REINCARNATION MYTHEME
“Reincarnation” is an analogy describing altered-state experiencing: forgetting the temporary vision of the higher model of control & time.
_______________________
ANDRO-GYNE
Mithras, Christ, and Dionysus were given male and female traits, per common mythemes.
Traditional culture includes Herme-Aphrodite in myth; andro-gyne: for example, Dionysus had female traits.
In ancient Athens, men played the women’s roles in plays.
Greeks culture many surprises. Men played the women roles in platys. Religious experience via rounds of mushroom wine (wide tradition of sacred meals), andro-gyne Dionysus.
Myth includes andro-gyne; Herme-Aphrodite.
The altered-state experiencing of “inability to control one’s pre-existing control-thoughts” is like “being female”.
The altered-state experience is like “being female”.
The person is the female-like receiver of control-thoughts, which are input by the male-like source of control-thoughts.
_______________________
ATHEISM DECLINE
Religious founder figures are mythic composite figures also incorporating historical individuals.
Atheism fell off a cliff a few years ago. That is revealed in the dates on YouTube Christ Myth Richard Carrier videos.
Atheism is ignorant of higher mind peak experience (as is exoteric religion, and lower Cognitive Science).
Christ-myth research thrived around 2005-2015, and won, with the pathetic response from Bart Ehrman, and then fell off a cliff a few years ago around 2014-2016.
Atheism sharply plummeted when Richard Carrier pushed Atheism Plus and everyone ran away, a few years after the 4 Atheists wrote their uninformed books that lacked awareness of mysticism or esoteric religion.
Atheism sharply plummeted when Richard Carrier pushed Atheism Plus and everyone ran away.
Atheism dropped sharply, a few years after the 4 Atheists wrote their uninformed books that lacked awareness of mysticism or esoteric religion.
Athiests wrote uninformed books that lacked awareness of mysticism or esoteric religion.
Around 2010, it was dominant Christians vs. underdog Atheists.
In 2019, it’s split unclearly between Atheism, Paganism, and Christianity advocates.
Paganism is religion and spirituality avoiding the liabilities of Christianity.
I completely stopped following Christ Myth research around the time Richard Carrier wrote his first book.
I was a leader within the heart of Christ Myth research.
In the JesusMysteries discussion group, people were interested in the mind-changing Eucharist.
The JesusMysteries discussion-group moderators overrode people’s interest in the mind-changing Eucharist.
People asked me for the updated, improved mushroom alternative theory.
The new model replaces Allegro’s poorly formed, anti-Christian version of the theory.
Allegro has a poorly formed, anti-Christian version of the mushroom Christ Myth theory.
I provided some better formulations of the ideas such as what does “Historical Jesus” mean, how it should be most relevantly defined.
“Historical Jesus” must mean a single unique identifiable man without whom Christianity wouldn’t have started.
A common fallacy is to identify Jesus arbitrariliy with a minor single particular historical figure.
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MUSIC
Some Metal is truly classic; it describes peak esoteric altered-state experiencing.
Mundane conservatives disparage Sabbath and Ozzy, but Bob Daisley’s Ozzy album _Diary of a Madman_ is epic and classic by traditional standards.
Classic Metal includes the altered-state revelation of no-free-will — peak culture.
Rap music probably has few lyrics about the peak-state revelation of mind-transforming block-universe worldline 🐍.
Boomers invented electric Rock ⚡🎸🎹⚡ music including some peak-state classic Dionysian revelation of block-universe no-free-will.
Strangely, in Beatles lyrics, only the early song Help! has solid altered-state classic-type lyrics.
Pink Floyd’s song “Learning to Fly” has solid classic altered-state description lyrics.
Country/Western music is limited to the mundane ordinary state.
Country/Western music suffers the same problem as most mundane culture: it lacks altered-state transformation into the no-free-will mental model.
Country/Western music lacks altered-state transformation into the no-free-will mental model.
Elevated music describes altered-state transformation into the no-free-will mental model.
Country/Western music is limited to the mundane daily life, conduct of life, ordinary state of consciousness.
August 25, 2019 , 2:04 a.m.
These are increasingly accessible, plain-spoken, direct and blunt, ultra-condensed summaries of the Egodeath theory.
“The Egodeath theory” is a label for a simple, compact set of ideas.
The Egodeath theory is the analogy/ psychedelics/ no-free-will explanation of religious mythology and the nature of primary religious experiencing, and the nature of Transcendent Knowledge.
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SIMPLICITY OF GNOSIS; HOW EASY IT IS TO SUMMARIZE GNOSIS
Gnosis is merely the altered-state experience of no-free-will, perceiving the pre-existence of control-thoughts.
Gnosis — the peak achievement of western civilization — is the altered-state experience of no-free-will regenerating the mental model of self, time, and control.
Gnosis is the peak achievement of Western civilization.
Gnosis is the altered-state experience of no-free-will.
The repeated experience of timeless frozen block-universe no-free-will changes the mental model of self, time, and control.
The intense mystic altered state (loose cognitive association) causes experiencing block-universe no-free-will with pre-existing control-thoughts.
The intense mystic altered state causes experiencing block-universe no-free-will, with pre-existing control-thoughts.
Key mytheme sequence: {king steering tree wine battle die snake rock rebirth}
The king steers in a possibility-branching tree, drinks wine, battles, dies, transforms to a snake frozen in rock, then rebirth from the rock cave.
No-free-will cancels, transforms, and regenerates the mental model of self, time, and control.
The repeated block-universe experience changes the mental model of control and time.
🌳⚡🍄🐍✝ sacred meal -> intense mystic altered state -> experience the frozen block-universe with pre-existing snake-shaped worldline of control thoughts & no-free-will.
The pearl of gnosis guarded by the snake dragon monster is the experience of no-free-will, the peak experience that transforms, from the Eucharistic sacred meal.
Revelation is the altered-state experience of no-free-will.
Gnosis wisdom enlightenment: sacred meal 🍄 altered state experience of no-free-will, block-universe worldline 🐍 of your pre-existing control-thoughts.
Gnosis, peak enlightenment is nothing but merely the experience of no-free-will, which cancels moral culpability.
Gnosis is the experience of no-free-will, which cancels moral culpability.
Religious myth describes altered-state experience of pre-existing control-thoughts.
Here is proof that turgid intellectual writing is B.S.: the highest gnosis revelation is simply the altered-state experience of block-universe no-free-will, perceiving the uncontrollable pre-existence of control-thoughts; easy to express.
Turgid intellectual writing is B.S.
Gnosis is the altered-state experience of block-universe no-free-will, perceiving the uncontrollable pre-existence of control-thoughts.
Heidegger writes in a thousand turgid pages less content than Euro-Americans write in a 120-character text message 🌳⚡🍄🐍✝
Real Philosophy is dirt-simple.
Complexity of expression indicates fake posturing pseudo-Philosophy.
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UNIVERSAL INNATE NATURE OF RELIGION
The mind has innate ability to deeply revise the mental model of control and time in visionary state, = origin of religion.
World religious mythology is evidence that all minds transform the same way in the altered state; gnosis or esoteric revelation applies universally.
The loose cognitive association state, from the Eucharist’s Holy Spirit, is the visionary state, to regenerate and purify.
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AUTHENTIC EUCHARIST
🍄 Eucharist flesh of Christ, vehicle of the Holy Spirit to regenerate the mental model of moral agency.
Exoteric Catholics don’t have the authentic effective Eucharist, to change the mind.
Agape Meal = Eucharist = love for God = sacred meal inducing altered-state Holy Spirit in Mystery Religion.
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SCIENCE ACHIEVEMENTS
The greatest Science achievement is internal, about cognition: decoding mythemes as analogy describing altered-state no-free-will experience & mental model of time and control.
We went beyond the sphere of the fixed stars.
The greatest Science achievement is internal, about cognition.
The greatest Science achievement is decoding mythemes as analogy that describes altered-state no-free-will experience & transforming the mental model of time and control.
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SACRIFICE
The authentic sacrifice is of one’s freewill mental model in the mystic state, which deeply changes moral agency.
Literalist sacrifice is misguided and ineffective.
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SERPENT/SNAKE
🐍 = the block universe worldline of fated preexisting control-thoughts revealed by the Mystery Religion sacred meal = the Wisdom tradition = the treasure/pearl guarded by the dragon or serpent, won by the hero, with divine help.
The snake frozen in rock is like the block universe worldline of fated preexisting control-thoughts.
The pre-existence of control-thoughts is revealed by the Mystery Religion sacred meal.
The Wisdom tradition = the treasure or pearl guarded by the dragon or serpent.
The treasure of gnosis is obtained from the dragon, won by the hero and reconciled, with divine help.
Don’t disparage the snake 🐍🐉, the shape of peak wisdom.
Experiential revelation of worldline of preset control-thoughts frozen into the block universe.
The snake mytheme is bi-valent; positive valued and negative valued.
Highest gnosis is seeing the block-universe snake-shaped preset worldline of your preexisting control-thoughts.
🐍 = wisdom, gnosis, regeneration
Mythemes: dragon 🐉 guards the treasure of gnosis, Transcendent Knowledge.
The dragon is the snake monster to reconcile with, frozen block-universe preset path of your life.
Jesus said as a sign, he must be lifted up like Moses’ brass snake on a pole.
The snake is the #1 mytheme, because it describes the pre-set path of control-thoughts frozen into the block universe, experienced in the Holy Spirit.
The Vatican building represents the snake.
Looking at Moses’ rigid brass snake on a pole (a de-branched tree) heals “fatal snake bite”.
Serpent/ snake/ 🐉 dragon monster guards treasure of Transcendent Knowledge, of no-free-will.
🐍 = the block universe worldline of fated pre-existing control-thoughts revealed by Mystery Religion sacred meal = Wisdom tradition = treasure/pearl guarded by dragon/serpent, won by hero with divine help.
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KING
Jesus on the cross is a king, thus is an instance of the widespread mytheme of {king hung fastened helplessly on a tree}.
Lots of Hellenistic-type mythemes in Christ’s Passion story: mocking the king and Mystery Religion initiates (impotence of freewill agency), king hung helpless in branching tree, reborn from rock cave.
There are many Hellenistic-type mythemes in Christ’s Passion story.
Mocking the king and the Mystery Religion initiates means pointing out the impotence of freewill agency.
The king is hung and fastened helpless like a rigid snake in the branching tree, then is reborn from the rock cave.
Personal king-like control-power evaporates upon perceiving the pre-existing path of your control-thoughts frozen into the spacetime block.
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SHOCKING THEORIES
Heresy theories:
The swoon theory
The Christ Myth theory
No-free-will revelation
Chronology revision
🍄 the source of religion
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TWO TYPES OF CHRISTIANITY
Literalist religion is popular; metaphorical mystic-state religion is less common; primitive cultures sit halfway between.
Most religionists and atheists sound like a fool when characterizing religion.
More awareness of esotericism is needed, including Western Esotericism.
Restorationist Esoteric Christianity
The true church is esoteric Christians regenerated by the Holy Spirit from the real presence in the god’s sacred meal, the Eucharist.
Esoteric religion contradicts exoteric, they are somehow “compatible”.
There are two meanings of “heaven” & “hell”.
Esoteric Christians love literalist immature outsider exoteric Christians.
Christianity is Hellenistic mystery religion expressed with Jewish elements.
Lower-level religion is moral conduct of life.
Higher religion is altered-state (Holy Spirit) revision of the mental model of moral control agency.
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ACCELERATIONIST CHRISTIANITY
The Bible plan: Christians put Antichrist on the throne in the temple and resume animal sacrifice for cleansing of sin.
Christians must help put Antichrist on the throne in the temple that God tore down twice, and resume animal sacrifice for cleansing sin.
Christian accelerationism: Christians must help put Antichrist on the throne in rebuilt temple and restore animal sacrifice for cleansing sin.
The actual, specific sacrifice is repudiating relying on the “branching open-future” model of time and control.
Animal sacrifice is an ineffective religion of literalism that cannot cancel moral culpability and deeply transform the mind like the altered-state experience of timeless no-free-will with pre-existing control-thoughts.
Animal sacrifice is an ineffective religion of literalism.
Sacrifice the “branching open-future” model of time and control.
Experiencing block-universe no-free-will cancels moral culpability and deeply transforms the mind.
Experiencing timeless frozen pre-existing control-thoughts cancels and transforms moral agency.
The mind is deeply transformed by the altered-state experience of timeless no-free-will with pre-existing control-thoughts.
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CONFLATION OF ‘UNITY’ WITH LACK OF DIFFERENTIATION
We are all united by Christ, but that doesn’t mean we are undifferentiated; that would be insanity and mental regression in Ken Wilber’s sense.
Christ is lord over all, but that doesn’t mean dissolving all boundaries into an undifferentiated mass.
The Bible doesn’t assert insanity like “never judge, don’t make any distinctions, male is literally the same as female, we are an undifferentiated mass”.
Insanity is dissolving into chaos all boundaries and distinctions.
Ken Wilber’s concept of the pre/trans fallacy, don’t conflate transcending mental structures, with the failure and chaotic dis-integration and breakdown of mental structures.
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REINCARNATION MYTHEME
“Reincarnation” is an analogy describing altered-state experiencing: forgetting the temporary vision of the higher model of control & time.
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ANDRO-GYNE
Mithras, Christ, and Dionysus were given male and female traits, per common mythemes.
Traditional culture includes Herme-Aphrodite in myth; andro-gyne: for example, Dionysus had female traits.
In ancient Athens, men played the women’s roles in plays.
Greeks culture many surprises. Men played the women roles in plays. Religious experience via rounds of mushroom wine (wide tradition of sacred meals), andro-gyne Dionysus.
Compact, plain-language summaries
September 1, 2019, 9:02 p.m.
Probably reorg’d and cleaned up vs. the prev post.
Compact, plain-language summaries
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GNOSIS
Gnosis is the altered-state experience of block-universe no-free-will with preexisting control-thoughts ☸🤔, reconciled with the creator of all thoughts.
Snake or dragon = gnosis wisdom = experiencing block-universe no-free-will in Holy Spirit state from Eucharist, frozen worldline of pre-existing control-thoughts ☸🤔.
Enlightenment 🔥🔦 = 🍄 experiencing pre-existing control-thoughts frozen in a snake-shaped worldline embedded in the block universe.
Gnosis is the altered-state experience of block-universe no-free-will and reconciling with pre-existing control-thoughts ☸🤔.
Gnosis is the altered-state experience of no-free-will, changing the mental model 🤔 of control and time ⏳🕰, learning to trust the hidden source of control-thoughts.
Metaphysical enlightenment 🔥🔦 is reflected in world religious mythology, including Western Esotericism.
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NO-FREE-WILL
We already travelled *beyond* the stars, per Ptolemaic Astral Ascent Mysticism – an advanced level is “penetrating the sphere of Saturn and the fixed stars” into the higher heavens.
Moral culpability reverts to the Creator; no-free-will cancels culpability.
The first Church Fathers & mid-period Augustine assert freewill, but late Augustine asserts no-free-will.
Atheism (such as Sam Harris), Stoicism, Gnosticism, and Calvinism assert no-free-will.
The key issue and the center of theology is no-free-will, and ways to combine moral culpability with no-free-will.
People severely object to no-free-will, because no-free-will completely kills ego and moral agency culpability, and renders Heaven and Hell for moral reward and punishment inapplicable.
In the ordinary state, is experienced free will; in the altered state, is experienced no-free-will.
It makes sense that freewill is the central focus of theology and religion and mystic-state experiencing, and mental transformation.
The fact of severe objections to no-free-will confirms how totally central, relevant, and potent the no-free-will experience and proposition is.
No-free-will completely undermines the assumption of self-determination and moral culpability.
The best type of Compatibilism is experiential, phenomenological, cognitive psychology: the ordinary state gives the experience of freewill, and the altered state gives the experience of no-free-will.
Freewill arguments are convincing only to people who believe in free will.
Freewill justifications are unconvincing to people who believe no-free-will.
The no-free-will position takes into account rationality and interpersonal emotions.
The no-free-will position explains how moral culpability can be done away with, as in, believing in “the king 👑 fastened helplessly to the 🌳” clears moral sin.
“Objection: If there is no-free-will, our moral culpability is done away with, and that’s bad.” Yet “Believing in Jesus clears our sin, and that’s good.”
Freewill arguments are completely weak and ineffectual.
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MORAL AGENCY BUT NOT EGO?
Spiritualists advocate no-ego.
No-free-will is total negation of ego power.
Spiritualists reject no-free-will, to preserve moral culpability = ego.
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HEAVEN & HELL
Hell describes trying in vain to rely on freewill power while in the mystic state of experiencing no-free-will.
Hell is the bedeviled personal control system.
In hyper-Calvinism, everything is God’s fault; the future exists and is closed, including future control-thoughts, and Heaven and Hell are analogies for transformative experience.
Heaven and Hell are mythic analogies describing the futile attempt to retain control using the presumed freewill basis of control.
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2-LEVEL RELIGION
{little children 👶} means exoteric religionists. Awakened esotericists should not be a stumbling block to exoteric religionists.
The “chosen race” means the set of individuals predestined to receive the 🍄 sacred meal and experience no-free-will and mentally shift moral culpability to the hidden source of thoughts, the Creator.
Winnowing the wheat from the chaff is key to reading nonfiction books, and how to approach everything: movies, Rock, Art, Comics, Religion, mysticism/esotericism, etc.
Pray for us on Sunday mornings to rightly divide the scriptures, when in church. Spiritual network of saints.
Don’t blanket-demonize Rock, Christianity, Paganism, movies, art, comics, or videogames — reject the harmful version and develop the healthy version of any part of culture.
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MYTH AS ANALOGY
Mythemes are shared across religions including Persian, Jewish, Greek, Christian, Roman, & Pagan.
To the esotericist, there’s less substantial differences between brands of religion.
Myth explanation must include the altered state.
Theories of religious mythology are weak because they fail to account for intense altered-state experiencing; they don’t engage with the subject matter.
Paul’s Christ was a spiritual figure; early Christians before the biographical Gospels were written didn’t need a historical Jesus.
Mythology is analogy describing intense mystic altered state, such as the Holy Spirit from the 🍄sacred meal Eucharist.
Bunk theories of myth assume the ordinary state, so fail to engage religious experience.
Bunk reductionist theories fail to explain intense experience.
In the Bible, an encounter with an angel 👼 causes numinous ⚡ terror 😱 and awe and fear, falling down trembling in terror.
Religious myth describes metaphysical enlightenment 🔥🔦 from the altered-state experience of no-free-will.
Myth is analogy describing ingesting visionary plants, the sacred meal 🍄, causing the altered state of loose cognitive association.
Myth is analogy describing ingesting the sacred meal 🍄 and experiencing frozen-time ❄⏳🕰 non-control, receiving control-thoughts from an uncontrollable source.
Mythemes describe mental transformation about time ⏳🕰 & control in the altered state.
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SACRED MEAL
Psil 🍄is most traditional & representative of Western Esotericism.
🍄 are shown heavily throughout Christian art, proving that they were *not* restricted only to greeks, but have been a major Western religious tradition.
The altered state is the Holy Spirit from ingesting the Eucharist.
The sacred meal 🍄 gives the experience of block-universe worldline, described like a rock containing a snake 🐍.
Unforgivable sin, don’t blaspheme the 🍄Holy Spirit.
The flesh of Christ 🍄 sacred meal Eucharist gives Holy Spirit altered state, experience of no-free-will frozen in rock.
The sacred meal 🍄 induces Holy Spirit altered state, experience no-free-will, mind is reformed to trust hidden source of control-thoughts.
The ancient 🍄 sacred meal tradition was ubiquitous and standard.
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ART
Art and myth describe the peak altered-state experiencing of no-free-will.
Integrate Dionysus, music, higher consciousness in a well-formed version.
Authentic traditional high art describes the peak mystic state of consciousness, per Alex Grey but add mythemes.
Art expresses & conveys full 2-level religion & Philosophy.
For any book, such as The Mystery of the Cathedrals: and the Esoteric Interpretation of the Hermetic Symbols of the Great Work (1926): check for mystic state giving experience of no-free-will/ non-control.
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MENTAL MODEL TRANSFORMATION
The word ‘death’ has two important meanings: the mystic-state death experience in initiation, & literal physical death.
Youths have an innate initiation drive, for death, transformation, & rebirth.
Being an adult is equated with being initiated in Mystery Religion, which means ingesting the sacred meal and experiencing the intense mind-changing altered state.
The mind has an innate hunger for mental transformation, thus the initiation tradition.
The intense mystic altered state changes the mental model 🤔 of control and time 🕰.
Instead of depending on the presumed freewill basis of personal control power, the mind consciously depends on and trusts in the hidden source of control-thoughts.
The initial model of control ☸ is sacrificed like a childish 👶 or animal-like 👹 way of thinking.
The control model changes from a king 👑 steering ☸ in a branching possibility 🌳 into an open future, to a 🐍 frozen in rock.
The new mental model is born from the block-universe rock, and the mind is released from the experience of no-free-will.
In the ordinary state, the freewill experience and mental model returns.
After the altered state, the freewill model is qualified and supplemented by the no-free-will model, with trust in the revealed hidden source of thoughts 🤔, the Creator of the block universe.
The altered state gives the experience of the block universe with embedded, preexisting, 🐍-shaped worldline of your control-thoughts ☸🤔.
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SNAKE, DRAGON
Apollo sh*t arrows at the dragon, was victorious, earned the laurel wreath victory crown: analogies for transcending the lower, freewill-based mental model of self, control agency, & time 🕰.
Poisonous snake 🐍: Jesus said a sign is, he must be lifted up like Moses’ rigid brass serpent on a pole for healing fatal snake-bite.
The dragon is the most powerful esoteric mytheme; a snake monster 🐉 guarding treasure of higher revealed wisdom, of the worldline of control-thoughts frozen into the block universe.
In altered-state analogy, the snake 🐍 is neutrally your pre-existing fixed worldline of control-thoughts frozen into the block universe.
The dragon 🐉 is the fearsome, dreaded, monstrous ramifications of the no-free-will, 🐍snake-shaped worldline, having no control over what control-thoughts are about to be forced into the mind in the next few minutes.
The dragon 🐉 is the threatening aspect of the snake 🐍, that demands sacrificing the presumed freewill basis of personal control-power.
The transformed mind is reconciled with the serpent monster 🐉 that guards the treasure of gnosis.
#1 mytheme: 🐉 dragon (snake monster) guards the treasure of gnosis wisdom.
The serpent monster, the dragon 🐉, is the perceiving of the frozen pre-existing worldline of your control-thoughts.
The dragon 🐉 (block-universe worldline) guards the treasure of this metaphysical enlightenment 🔥🔦, and causes sacrifice of the childish 👶 king-like 👑 idea of personal control.
{tree 🌳 vs. snake 🐍} means Possibilism vs. Eternalism — the two models of control & time 🕰, per the two states of consciousness.
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KING ON CROSS ✝
The cross ✝ is a sign, a king 👑 fastened to the tree 🌳 is like a snake 🐍 frozen in rock, and like a brass snake 🐍 on a pole made by de-branching a tree 🌳.
Mythology decoding: Jesus is a dying sacrificed king 👑 fastened to a tree 🌳 (and then born from a rock).
The Jesus figure is analogy describing altered-state experience of no-free-will, new mental model of control and time 🕰, made to put trust in the hidden source of control-thoughts.
The altered-state experience of being a king 👑 fastened helpless in a tree 🌳.
The cross ✝ means a king 👑 drinking sacred wine 🍄 fastened helplessly to a branching 🌳.
King hung from a tree 🌳, experiencing block-universe no-free-will.
Lifted up like Moses’ brass 🐍 (worldline) on a pole (a de-branched 🌳).
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MALE & FEMALE
In Mithraism, soldiers at one initiation level wore a bridal dress and married Mithras.
Mythemes include male thought-source, female thought-receiver, herme-aphrodite, andro-gyne. Dionysus and Mithras have female traits.
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UNITY AND BOUNDARIES
Don’t conflate Jesus’ universal salvation with dissolving all distinctions; losing differentiation, distinctions, and boundaries is insanity.
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TIME 🕰; FUTURE EXISTS
The future already exists, as the Creator made it.
We discover what the timeline is, including each person’s frozen pre-existing worldline 🐍.
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SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION
The scientific style of explicit explanation enables summarizing and communicating metaphysical enlightenment 🔥🔦 better than was done before the late-modern era.
Scientific explanation is now possible, clearly and simply explaining the numinous 😱 intense experience described by religious myth.
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ATHEISM
The Atheism vs. Christianity debate is worthless, irrelevant, off-base fixation on Epistemology, but religion comes from altered-state cognitive *Phenomenology*.
Richard Carrier disproved historical Jesus, but then he combined politics with Atheism, causing everyone to disavow Atheism and run away. Atheism fell of a cliff a few years ago.
Thread:
Sea serpent, nautical mythemes
Oct. 19, 2019 10:05 pm
Sea serpent, nautical mythemes
o Jonah’s shade-plant is a vine, isomorphic with the ketos (sea serpent).
o Andromeda, princess to be sacrificed to ketos/ sea serpent/ dragon, is *chained* to a *rock*.
o ‘ketos’ means sea serpent, not “whale”.
Click the search-links below; too many interesting ancient artworks to link to.
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My previous posts about ketos, Jonah, hippocamp, sea mythology:
“Jonah’s prayer”:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/egodeath/conversations/messages/7161
“Deciphered: tree vs. snake means Possibilism vs. Eternalism”:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/egodeath/conversations/messages/9678
“Mytheme: Chariot steersman”:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/egodeath/conversations/messages/5469
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Vocabulary mythology challenge:
Poseidon
Neptune
Amphitrite
sea thiasos
Andromeda
Triton
Nereids
ketos
hippocamp
sirens
Sea thiasos – Nereid on a hippocamp, bringing a present
Sea thiasos for the wedding of Poseidon and Amphitrite, 2nd half of the 2nd century BC. Detail: Nereid on a hippocampus, bringing a present; Erotes (front panel).
Sea thiasos – Nereid on a hippocampus, bringing a present
https://www.flickr.com/photos/28433765@N07/6282975858
Sea thiasos [procession] for the wedding of Poseidon and Amphitrite
2nd half of the 2nd century B.C.
with Erotes
“Altar of Domitius Ahenobarbus” or “Statue Base of Marcus Antonius”, (relief frieze). [= sculpted of rock; depicts snake frozen into block universe]
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Decoding “Jonah and the Whale and the shade-Gourd”
Riddle:
How is a Whale and a Gourd isomorphic?
How are they isomorphic with the frozen block-universe worldline
Illustration (containing hints on both sides of the question) https://www.flickr.com/photos/profzucker/31527615296
It’s a double trick question. Not-whale ~= not-gourd. A specific thing that’s not a whale, has the same shape as a specific thing that’s not a gourd.
Solution:
“whale” is a mis-translation of sea *serpent*.
Gourd is the produce of a *vine* plant.
sea serpent is isomorphic with vine. Q.E.D.
serpent and vine are non-branching — vine is primarily non-branching, like worldline or worm theory, in block universe spacetime physics. https://www.google.com/search?q=“worldline”+”worm+theory”+”block+universe”
Ketos and Jonah (in Endymion pose) with a ketos (sea monster) below an arbor
https://www.flickr.com/photos/profzucker/31527615296
[arbor = “a shady garden alcove with sides and a roof formed by trees or climbing plants [vines] trained over a wooden framework”]
Santa Maria Antiqua Sarcophgus [rock coffin]
275 A.D.
white veined marble
A gourd is the produce of a vine. snake gourd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichosanthes_cucumerina
worldline = in the loose cognitive association state, experiencing & perceiving the givenness, presetness, uncontrollability, unavoidability of your near-future control-thoughts.
Jonah’s shade-plant is a gourd vine (snake-shaped worldline frozen in block universe). Not a grape vine. Not an ivy vine.
The important thing isn’t grapes or gourd, nor psychoactive effect per Ruck’s speculation, but rather, *vine* — snake shaped — which is to say, *worldline-shaped*.
https://google.com/search?q=jonah+vine&tbm=isch
gourd:
o A fleshy, typically large fruit with a hard skin, some varieties of which are edible.
o A climbing or trailing plant which bears gourds.
o “Out of one’s gourd” — out of one’s mind; crazy.
From Oxford dictionary UI at https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/gourd
gourd:
Tendril-bearing vines including the cucumber, melon, squash, and pumpkin.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gourd
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Wedding sea-processions:
https://google.com/search?q=sea+thiasos&tbm=isch
What is the name of the billowing cloth behind the head, indicating loosecog/ pneumos/ holy spirit?
Andromeda is chained to a rock. A chain gives limited freedom, like the freewill experience in the ordinary state (tight cognitive association binding).
Female = passive. Don’t think she is steering controlling commanding the serpent. Rather she is being carried by the sea serpent/ ketos or hippocamp.
Andromeda is princess to be sacrificed to the sea-serpent, chained to a rock, sometimes shown with one foot standing on the rock as foundation.
Rescued, by a sacred power outside of her power, Perseus riding Pegasus – flying horse, carrying head of Medusa with snakes.
Perseus shows Medusa attractive snake hair head to kill the marriage rival, Andromeda’s uncle, who is a ruler — the brother of the king.
{Chained to the rock}, helpless female young ruler (of initiation age, ready to marry and be initated, “abducted”, sacrificed.
Dragon monster demands sacrifice of initial mental worldmodel of self, control, time, and possibility.
Andromeda has a story conjunction with Medusa snake head that turns rulers into helpless rock statues; apply same family of myth-decodings.
The dragon monster demanding sacrifice of Andromeda is a ketos; a sea serpent monster.
Triton is human torso/head, snake body. sometimes split into two legs/snakes, variant from the main idea of snake below, human torso and head above.
Nereid with Hippokamp and two dolphins
https://www.akg-images.co.uk/archive/-2UMDHU3UA26I.html
Roman mosaic 3rd Century.
dolphins = theme of ‘rescue’
billowing cloth = ASC
Nereid on Ketos
https://www.art.com/products/p14187211-sa-i2935920/roman-nereid-on-ketos-from-the-lid-of-a-pyxis-found-at-canosa-di-puglia-c-130-bc.htm?upi=P5426F0
130 B.C.
from the Lid of a Pyxis
Sea monster Ketos (Cetus)
https://www.ancient.eu/image/3363/sea-monster-ketos-cetus/
compare head to horse (as in hippocamp)
compare front fins to horse front legs (as in hippocamp)
“Monsters. Fantastic Creatures of Fear and Myth” exhibition
Heracles fighting the Ketos
https://www.flickr.com/photos/28433765@N07/3411670893
Caeretan black-figure clay vase from Stavros S. Niarchos collection Athens.
Nov 28, 2019 2:17pm
The story of Jonah and the “Whale” (sea serpent) includes the following worldline-shaped elements:
o ketos (sea serpent)
o seaweed wraps around his head in one translation of the prayer inside the sea serpent
o gourd (vine plant like pumpkin)
o worm eats gourd shade-plant
Nov 30 2019 1:59 am
With the Yahoo Groups website UI going away, with the Egodeath Yahoo Group moving to email-only, it might be nice to temporarily open up the Egodeath Yahoo Group for other people to post. This could help keep the “community” intact while the platform changes.
The factors have changed, factors which led to only permitting the Admin (me) to post.
I haven’t decided which email address and email software or interface to use. I’m uncertain whether this Yahoo Email web-based UI will remain. Time will tell.
I want to gather and post another batch of short-form summary posts.
The substance of the Egodeath theory is done; the period of Revolutionary Science is past, and I’m entering into the period of Normal Science. (Per Thomas Kuhn’s theory in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.) [yeah but I hadn’t solved the the Canterbury Psalter “mushroom tree/ hanging/ sword” image with the trained, self-threatening Psalter reader. – mh dec 30 2020]
The Egodeath Yahoo Group Web UI, I used from 2008-2019.
Around 2014 I had a major breakthrough and completed the substance of the Theory (mostly re: analogy, also some influence on strengthening the Core Theory).
2018-2019, I worked on plain-language short-form summaries of the Egodeath theory.
As the Yahoo Groups web-based UI ends, I have finished the substance of the Egodeath theory, and the ways of expressing the Egodeath theory.
Private Email Sent Nov 30 2019 207pm
typically i sent such to the Egodeath Yahoo Group too.
Per Thomas Kuhn’s famous theory of science progress:
There is a short period of “revolutionary science” where a new paradigm framework with better potential is introduced. A new skeleton.
Followed by a long period of “normal science” where the new paradigm framework is filled-in, or fleshed-out, with details.
I hold that the whole idea of revolutionary breakthrough comes from the mystic-state experience in which the mental model transforms. The Egodeath theory is a modern systematization of that key original “paradigm shift”.
Kuhn generalizes how a revolutionary paradigm shift works – but the original master version of “paradigm shift” is the cognitive change during the Holy Spirit experience, which is systematized in the Egodeath theory.
Private email sent Nov 30 224pm
The original paradigmatic instance and master model of “paradigm shifts” is, altered-state mind transformation induced by ingesting the sacred meal.
The best instance and paradigmatic model of “scientific explanation” is the Egodeath theory, which clearly and directly explains the master paradigmatic instance of “paradigm shifts”, that is, altered-state mind transformation. And also decodes and maps analogies from religious mythology to this direct explanation.
w wrote: dec 14 2019 9:36 am
The Caduceus, the Staff of Asclepius and Serpents
https://misfitsandheroes.wordpress.com/2016/06/06/the-caduceus-the-staff-of-asclepius-and-other-serpents/
“The pictures are great and show the serpent in different mythological cultures in addition to Greek, such as the Chinese, Egyptian, North African, india’s Kundalini yoga and pre-Christian Ireland.
It would be better for the doubting Thomases to look into historical evidence such as this, rather than reading such things as athiest author’s writings to understand the Egodeath Theory.
The author does mention in a few spots some mis-understanding ( in my opinion) about the two historical Caduceus’, one being the twin snakes moving up the staff toward the wings of Hermes and the other with Asclepius, one snake on the staff.
The author states that the staff or rod with one snake may have been a better choice to represent medicine because Asclepius was a more righteous character than Hermes.
Hermes, he mentions, has a “mixed reputation being a messenger of the gods, guide of the dead, and protector of merchants, shepherds, athletes, liars and thieves.”
The author forgets or doesn’t realize the true meaning of the Caduceus, and doesn’t see that the Jesus figure was on the cross next to thieves and embraced them by saying, ‘I say to you today, you will be in paradise with me.”
The author also states that yin and yang, female and male, is an “older and far more universal concept than the Greek God Hermes.”
The problem with some authors is that they take a snippet, a concept, and separate it from the whole of religious mythology, which has been a major cause of religious division.
Hermes is carried through time and boundaries as the mythology lives on within the Caduceus. The ‘healing’ within the message of the Caduceus as told in the Egodeath theory regarding ‘madness’ is inclusive of yin and yang, not separate from it.
[person’s] Caduceus was that of twin snakes with the wings of Hermes.
My Reply Feb 3 2020 8:16pm
I likely read that article among others, and it may have been the best, or one of the best.
I have a bunch of little points to make even if they repeat what I posted.
Greek evidence clearly shows that it’s a debranched tree or debranched branch (staff of A.).
Hope you caught my post a couple months ago about the Cup of Hygeia – which appears in my main article, as a snake drinking from chalice. todo: try to find that post and copy to WordPress.
I don’t have a satisfying decoding of Hermes’ twin serpents. They are male and female. [lol – i re-figured it out late 2020, then found my dec 2 2013 vid lecture explained it. two worldlines: that of the control-thought inserter/injector, the control-thought receiver/receptacle. ]
I have a great, fully satisfying decoding of snake around debranched tree, which connects directly to how the snake on Eden tree is normally depicted: wound around trunk, the snake head is right at where the tree branching starts (top of trunk).
tree vs snake *contrast* (= Possibilism vs. Eternalism, to use two technical terms).
People use the epithet “snake” to disparage a bad person. I then counter that; I explain the positive meaning, the good reason why the shape of the snake is like gnosis, enlightenment.
w wrote Oct 13 2020
I listened a bit to that author Brian Muraresku being interviewed by a Simon Drew.
The author ends the interview by saying there is no before and there is no after.
To be here now is the key to immortality.
It’s a New Age sweep by a snake charmer attempting to control psychedelics.
my reply dec 30 2020
Any time a spiritual salesman starts sentence w/ “There is no….”, hold onto wallet.
- There is no time
- There is no self
- There is no ego
- There is no control
- There is no doer
yeah, thanks for your:
“There is no insight”.
And I have a message for you:
There is no money
Oct 30 2019 10:39 am
subject: Re: email vs. Yahoo Web UI
Yahoo is cancelling all Yahoo Groups. This email address will become inoperable Dec. 10, 2020.
See my recent blog posts at WordPress: https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/
At some point I’ll update the website, egodeath.com – Ego Death and Self-Control Cybernetics
Ego Death and Self-Control Cyberneticscontemporary metaphysics, self-control cybernetics, ego death, Eleusinian mysteries, fatalism, mental models, vi…
Oct 30 2019 10:43 am
Sub: All Yahoo Groups cancelled Dec. 10, 2020
[Dec 15th actually]
Yahoo is cancelling all Yahoo Groups. This email address will become inoperable Dec. 10, 2020.
See my recent blog posts at WordPress: https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/
You can post replies there; it’s a good layout that elevates my posts over the replies instead of jumbling them together.
At some point I’d like to update the website to add 2008(?)-2020 Yahoo Groups post. egodeath.com – Ego Death and Self-Control Cybernetics
Love to you all and thank you Yahoo!!!
The Egodeath Yahoo Group worked well since 2001.
— Michael Hoffman, Egodeath.com
Farewell Yahoo Groups, thx for following, see you on the Web
oct 30 2019 1044am
Farewell Yahoo Groups, thx for following, see you on the Web
Yahoo is cancelling all Yahoo Groups. This email address will become inoperable Dec. 10, 2020.
See my recent blog posts at WordPress: https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/
You can post replies there; it’s a good layout that elevates my posts over the replies instead of jumbling them together.
At some point I’d like to update the website to add 2008(?)-2020 Yahoo Groups post. egodeath.com – Ego Death and Self-Control Cybernetics
Love to you all and thank you Yahoo!!! The Egodeath Yahoo Group worked well since 2001.
— Michael Hoffman, Egodeath.com
dup repost?
Farewell Yahoo Groups, thx for following, see you on the Web
10:53 am – adds Triumph mosaic
Farewell Yahoo Groups, thx for following, see you on the Web
Yahoo is cancelling all Yahoo Groups. This email address will become inoperable Dec. 10, 2020.
See my recent blog posts at WordPress: https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/
You can post replies there; it’s a good layout that elevates my posts over the replies instead of jumbling them together.
At some point I’d like to update the website to add Yahoo Groups posts from Feb. 14, 2004 – Oct. 2020. Website: http://egodeath.com – Ego Death and Self-Control Cybernetics
The Egodeath Yahoo Group worked well since 2001.
Thank you for those who contributed posts with valuable content eg. the awesome Dionysus Procession with mushroom tigers at the end of the Egodeath article.
Love to you all and thank you Yahoo!!!
— Michael Hoffman, Egodeath.com
oct 30 2019 1057 am
Caption:
Dionysus rides with the abducted and married soul, Ariadne, in Dionysus’ victory procession, in a chariot drawn by four mushroom-tigers.
The Entheogen Theory of Religion and Ego Death
Section: The Sacred Marriage
http://www.egodeath.com/EntheogenTheoryOfReligion.htm#_Toc177337640
1:07 pm
I don’t have any ideas for email forum, but WordPress comments at bottom of a weblog post seem good.
I don’t think you have to be a WordPress member/account.
Cyberdisciple’s WordPress is cross-linked.
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/
Be sure to see all the latest YT content:
Max YT ch
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwJ_O4EgF61AuLRuoI0S4qw
Cyb YT ch
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVrwl3M_yZw9p3V4B2km23A
Dec 1 2020 – snapshot of new WordPress Site Map page
Last I heard, end-of-life for Yahoo Groups is December 15, 2020.
New articles – book review (abstractly) of Way of Zen.
New nav page (site map).
New Nav bar.
Mytheme List + Dictionary of Egodeath/Altered State phenomena, cross-linking the entries now.
Max provided Yahoo Group postings as a set of long HTML files, ready-to-upload eg to Egodeath.com, in numerical order, which is pretty good.
Site Map
Contents
Flagship Articles
Key Reference Pages
Good Pages
Idea Development pages
Particular Mythemes
Books, Articles, Videos, & Comics
New Old Religion
Utility pages
Scientific Theory Methodology
Flagship Articles
Table of contents, bibliography & see also; publishable quality.
Key Reference Pages
Good Pages
Wikipedia-like, but not publishable quality.
Idea Development pages
Realtime latest breakthroughs and thinking. Messy by design.
Particular Mythemes
Each page focused on elaborating connections around a particular mytheme.
Books, Articles, Videos, & Comics
New Old Religion
Utility pages
Scientific Theory Methodology
Dec 13 2020 629pm –
HO-HO-HOLY SPIRIT!
🎄🍄🦌🦌🦌🦌🛷🎅🎁
IF YOU ARE GOOD, THE NATIVE CHRISTMAS SHAMANS WILL INITIATE YOU IN THE SACRED MEAL THAT WAS USED IN ALL THE HELLENISTIC MYSTERY RELIGIONS (SECRET AMANITA CULTS)
“They also drank wine at these Mithraeum communion banquets, and the wine was laced with Amanita muscaria mushrooms, which were intended to produce a kind of out-of-body experience.” 2:20
Video:
Mithraism with Jason Reza Jorjani
YT ch: New Thinking Allowed with Jeffrey Mishlove
OF COURSE HE CHOOSES THE MALFORMED STATUE WHERE MITHRAS FAILS TO REMEMBER TO TURN, CONVERT, AND LOOK BACK BEHIND HIM TO THE RIGHT, TO PERCEIVE SOL, THE MIND’S UNCONTROLLABLE SOURCE OF CONTROL-THOUGHTS
Mithraism with Jason Reza Jorjani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIQ0i_1eoJ8&t=135s
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w wrote:
So glad the Egodeath Theory is thriving in it’s new home and that you’ve been able to reach your followers before Yahoo Groups is completely gone.
You’re helping so many people. Truly a blessing!
Dec 15 2020
Re: Announcement: End of Yahoo Groups
wrmspirit wrote:
Rest in peace Yahoo Groups.
You worked so hard.
You can rest now. Please know that you are loved for all the many gifts that came through you.
So Close your eyes and go to sleep.. and .. love will lead the way…
Egodeath Yahoo Group 
