Egodeath Yahoo Group – Digest 47 (2003-10-06)


Group: egodeath Message: 2345 From: gurugeorgey Date: 06/10/2003
Subject: Re: Defining egoless state
Group: egodeath Message: 2346 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 07/10/2003
Subject: Insulting satori/regeneration/peak cognitive state
Group: egodeath Message: 2347 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 07/10/2003
Subject: Re: The Early Middle Ages didn’t exist. Studies of falsification o
Group: egodeath Message: 2348 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 07/10/2003
Subject: Astral ascent
Group: egodeath Message: 2349 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 07/10/2003
Subject: Early Xns unanimous about J’s historicity — which view tho?
Group: egodeath Message: 2350 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 07/10/2003
Subject: Web page: The New Chronology: Dark/Middle Ages Didn’t Exist
Group: egodeath Message: 2351 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 07/10/2003
Subject: Occam’s razor and revisionist chronology
Group: egodeath Message: 2352 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 08/10/2003
Subject: Re: The Early Middle Ages didn’t exist. Studies of falsification o
Group: egodeath Message: 2353 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 08/10/2003
Subject: Turin shroud of Jacques de Molay, Xy recent
Group: egodeath Message: 2354 From: aelewis@provide.net Date: 08/10/2003
Subject: Re: The Early Middle Ages didn’t exist… [questions]
Group: egodeath Message: 2355 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 09/10/2003
Subject: Robust permutations of entheogen theories, new chronologies
Group: egodeath Message: 2356 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 09/10/2003
Subject: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Group: egodeath Message: 2357 From: jamesjomeara Date: 09/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Group: egodeath Message: 2358 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 09/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Group: egodeath Message: 2359 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 09/10/2003
Subject: Acid rocker Eddie Money, “I Think I’m In Love”
Group: egodeath Message: 2360 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Entheogenesis Conference, Ruck & Staples publications
Group: egodeath Message: 2361 From: prairiskier Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Trails Left Untredded
Group: egodeath Message: 2362 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Stylistic expansion of postings, biographical information
Group: egodeath Message: 2363 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: OT/Bio: Adding a speaker isolation cab to your home studio
Group: egodeath Message: 2364 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: OT/Bio: Bk: Gear Secrets .. Guitar: CD sounds like abs. sht
Group: egodeath Message: 2365 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: OT/Bio: Effects between amp and speaker
Group: egodeath Message: 2366 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: OT/Bio: Is an equalizer pedal really useful?
Group: egodeath Message: 2367 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Plotinus, Neoplatonism, and Hermeticism
Group: egodeath Message: 2368 From: Aaron Blohowiak Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Ego Diffusion
Group: egodeath Message: 2369 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Ego Diffusion
Group: egodeath Message: 2370 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Group: egodeath Message: 2371 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Group: egodeath Message: 2372 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Group: egodeath Message: 2373 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: What is Edwin Johnson’s book Antiqua Mater about?
Group: egodeath Message: 2374 From: egodeath@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: File – EgodeathPostingRules.txt
Group: egodeath Message: 2375 From: Khem Caigan Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Group: egodeath Message: 2376 From: jamesjomeara Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Group: egodeath Message: 2377 From: jamesjomeara Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Group: egodeath Message: 2378 From: merker2002 Date: 14/10/2003
Subject: Re: Stylistic expansion of postings, biographical information
Group: egodeath Message: 2379 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/10/2003
Subject: Publishing egodeath book after done with basic insights
Group: egodeath Message: 2380 From: shaunbefort78 Date: 16/10/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: egodeath Message: 2381 From: jamesjomeara Date: 17/10/2003
Subject: Support for Johnson Paradigm from Middle Eastern archeology
Group: egodeath Message: 2382 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/10/2003
Subject: Gnostic gift-salvation portrayed as opposed to Jewish works-salvati
Group: egodeath Message: 2383 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/10/2003
Subject: “Ancient” writings, writers, and conflicts are actually Reformation
Group: egodeath Message: 2384 From: Khem Caigan Date: 18/10/2003
Subject: Review: Karen L. King’s _What is Gnosticism?_
Group: egodeath Message: 2385 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/10/2003
Subject: Morton Smith in Lost Xys – “Those Who Know” = It’s all forgery?
Group: egodeath Message: 2386 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/10/2003
Subject: Re: Morton Smith in Lost Xys – “Those Who Know” = It’s all forgery?
Group: egodeath Message: 2387 From: jamesjomeara Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Re: Morton Smith in Lost Xys – “Those Who Know” = It’s all forgery?
Group: egodeath Message: 2388 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Re: Morton Smith in Lost Xys – “Those Who Know” = It’s all forgery?
Group: egodeath Message: 2389 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Alexandria journal contents
Group: egodeath Message: 2390 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: All purported ancient Xn writings are early-Modern forgeries
Group: egodeath Message: 2391 From: jamesjomeara Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Re: Morton Smith in Lost Xys – “Those Who Know” = It’s all forgery?
Group: egodeath Message: 2392 From: merker2002 Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Re: All purported ancient Xn writings are early-Modern forgeries
Group: egodeath Message: 2393 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Re: All purported ancient Xn writings are early-Modern forgeries
Group: egodeath Message: 2394 From: rialcnis2000 Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Re: All purported ancient Xn writings are early-Modern forgeries



Group: egodeath Message: 2345 From: gurugeorgey Date: 06/10/2003
Subject: Re: Defining egoless state
— In egodeath@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hoffman" <mhoffman@e…>
wrote:

[snip]
> >>Are you living from a condition of seeing through Mr. Hoffman
most of the
> time?
>
>
> Intellectually, the understanding of the illusory nature of
freewill/separate
> self is always available to my mind, on tap, from memory. The
visionary state
> of loose cognition, with the vivid sense of no-free-will/no-
separate-self, is
> normally not present. Those who have no intense visionary state on
tap wish
> that they could be in an intense visionary state all the time, and
> unjustifiably, overzealously define enlightenment as entailing such
a
> permanent visionary state.
>
>
>
Intellectually, enlightenment is fairly easy to understand. The
trick is experiencing that perspective, then living it, living from
that perspective, and I think that _is_ the only really important
thing.

Intellectual insights, insights from drugs, "flashes" of
enlightenment, etc., are all well and good, but a permanent
alteration of the human being so that they live from the enlightened
perspective is more … how to put it? Worthwhile? Valuable? Worth
pursuing?

I think it's probably difficult, but not all that difficult. A
knack, like any other.
Group: egodeath Message: 2346 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 07/10/2003
Subject: Insulting satori/regeneration/peak cognitive state
Enlightenment is easy to understand, by studying systematizations of it, and
is easy to experience, using entheogens. Is it easy to live from the
enlightened perspective? What would it mean, to "live from the enlightened
perspective"? Here everything becomes hazy and speculative and completely
debatable, reeking of late 20th Century invented spirituality — a
spirituality that was invented specifically in opposition to the awakening
that was caused by pot and acid around the 1960s.

The biggest empty cliche is that satori is transient but that the real goal is
to live an ongoing spiritual life. The idea of living an ongoing spiritual
life is brand new, lacks a historical basis, is purely speculative and an
arbitrary value-based definition of what religion and enlightenment are about,
contradicts the Traditional idea that the goal of life is peak experience, is
based on a false and distorted history of religion, and is practically a
moralistic Puritanism updated for the late 20th Century.

The notion of "living from an enlightened perspective", that conception of
what the ongoing spiritual life would be, is a hazy fantasy, an arbitrary
artificial construct. There is nothing there; it's baseless conjecture,
imagined notions of what spiritual enlightenment would, could, or should be
about.

It has become standard to disparage and slander the state of satori or peak
experiencing — 'blasphemy' can only refer to this diminishment of the holy
spirit, the intense mystic altered state. It's now standard to put down the
mystic state, and elevate instead the idea of "living from the enlightened
perspective", a view that stands in disagreement with mystics in general, who
talk of a spiritual path leading up to peak experience, rather than talking
about mundane self-improvement and elevation of day-to-day life.

Is this hazy, novel, and conjectural construction, "living from an enlightened
perspective", more worthwhile and valuable than that which makes it
possible — the intense mystic altered state, satori, and the peak window
during which ego is struck by lightning? Debatable indeed.

Blasphemy against the Son is a pardonable sin, but blasphemy against the holy
spirit is unpardonable, warranting the death penalty: when one has been struck
down and set straight by the intense mystic seizure about who's not in charge
of whom, it becomes much more difficult to suppose the greatness and loftiness
of "living from an enlightened perspective".

Can "living from an enlightened perspective" be of greater value than the
satori experience that produces enlightenment?

Late 20th Century notions of spirituality are intent on diminishing the worth
of actual satori and peak experience, striving to instead enthrone the
enhancement of everyday life, labelling that enhancement as "spirituality" and
"transcendence" and "enlightenment".

People ought to emphatically honor, and recognize and seek the grandeur of the
real thing: the intense mystic altered state, which is the source, origin,
fountainhead, basis, foundation, and wellspring of religion, not to be
mistaken for the mundane sentimental, moralistic, ethical, conjectural, vague
imposter of "living from the perspective of the enlightenment perspective".

Is it possible to not insult peak experiencing, and not insult the elevation
of day to day life? A full life must have both — the timeless eternal peak
experience, and the day to day life, one shining a perspective onto the other.
A classic metaphor is that before satori or regeneration, all of one's actions
are sinful and generate bad karma, while after full satori and rengeneration,
all of one's actions are blessed and escape the round of reincarnation. This
then puts all focus and value on the moment of satori and regeneration, rather
than on the content of one's life afterwards.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2347 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 07/10/2003
Subject: Re: The Early Middle Ages didn’t exist. Studies of falsification o
Did the Early Middle Ages Really Exist?
Prof. Hans-Ulrich Niemitz
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/volatile/Niemitz-1997.pdf


Forget about the year 2000, we still live in 1703
http://lelarge.de/wamse.html


Computer scientist Markus Günther Kuhn writes at
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25
>>A group of people around Heribert Illig present the provocative hypothesis
that our historic timeline contains 300 years of phantom time (around 600 to
900 A.D.) that never happened physically. They provide interesting arguments
that these dark ages with their distinct lack of documents, graves and
buildings were made up a few hundred years later, when the modern A.D.
year-numbering scheme was introduced, and that Karl the Great (Charlemagne) is
a character of fiction.

>>Most of the detailed argumentation is only available in German at the
moment, most notably in form of the recent books by Illig and Topper, but
there is at least one earlier English paper by Prof. Hans-Ulrich Niemitz on
the same subject, which focuses in particular on why C14 dating and
dendrochronology might fail to confirm the conventional early medieval
timeline. Illig's thesis is a matter of ongoing hot … debate, especially in
Germany and in various USENET groups. …

>>The entire discussion suggests that the standards for evidence in pre-1200
history seem to be significantly weaker than what a scientifically trained
outsider might naively have expected and commonly accepted school textbook
"facts" mostly based on centuries old speculation and compromise
interpretations of often faked documents. In any case, excellent exercise
material for critical thinking.


Edwin Johnson: The Pauline Epistles: Re-studied and explained, London
1894
http://www.radikalkritik.de/pauline_epistles.htm
http://www.radikalkritik.de/PaulEpistles.pdf – 99 pages

Johnson uses the questioning of the historicity of all of Paul's epistles as
an example to call into doubt the reality and existence of all of European
history prior to 1533.


The topic of "The New Chronology" seems to focus mostly on debunking the
existence of the years 600-900 (Illig's years are 614-911). That is the mild,
conservative, modest theory of adjusting our calendars. Edwin Johnson takes
it to a radical extreme, which is why I have trouble grasping what Johnson is
saying.

To understand Johnson, the more moderate hypothesis of repudiating the
existence of the years 600-900 is an effective stepping stone. I instantly
liked doing away with 600-900; that solves at once many cognitive dissonances
I have had. Now I can be better equipped to grasp the possible ramifications
of Johnson's more sweeping reconceptualization of history.

I'm bored, having figured out many things to my satisfaction about the real
nature and origins of religion. A deeper study and a summary of Johnson's The
Pauline Epistles may be just what I'm looking for to provide an intellectual
challenge and shake open the way for further major paradigmatic shifts.

I hope you read, and encourage you to read, the few online resources about the
nonexistence of the Dark Ages (the years 600-900), in order to then study the
possible ramifications of Johnson's The Pauline Epistles, which seems to be
surprising even to the would-be radicals who are putting forth the minor and
slight calendar adjustment of eliminating the years 600-900. Johnson seems to
propose their "new chronology" — squared. The New Chronology proponents are
being surprised and humbled upon discovering that Johnson was there first and
puts their supposed radicalism to shame.

Johnson doesn't provide an effective summary of what exactly he is proposing.
I won't know until my third thorough reading and summarization of Johnson, but
it seems that he's saying — at the extreme — that the entire corpus of
ancient Greek, Roman, Jewish, and Christian writings — was written in the
monasteries around 1550. Can someone please correct me on this summary of
Johnson's hypothesis?


— Michael Hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 2348 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 07/10/2003
Subject: Astral ascent
Adept Magus wrote:
>>The seven levels of heaven and the underworld are found in ancient
Judeo-Christian lore and was accepted belief, well into the Middle Ages and
was taught by 14th century theologians. In ancient Greek mythology, Hades has
at least six levels separated by rivers. The seven levels of heaven are found
in the Dead Sea Scrolls such as 1 Enoch, early Christian works such as
Ascension of Isaiah, Heckahalot literature, Hermetic works, and Neoplatonic
works.


The classic levels of astral ascension are summarized in terms of maturing
from freewill/separate-self delusion, to a peak experience of cosmic
determinism and imprisonment in spacetime unity, on to a kind of spiritual
transcendence of cosmic determinism resulting in "spiritual freedom", to gaze
upon the godhead.


10. The utterly hidden black-box benevolent controller of the deterministic
cosmos. Apophatic level, indirectly intuited or deduced or felt. Throne of
the Good god.

9. The divine transcendent realm. The initiate is pulled up and spiritually
born out from the deterministic cosmos.

8. The fixed stars; cosmic determinism. Peak experience of
no-free-will/no-separate-self.

5-7. The slow planets. Intermediate level mystic-experiencing. Glimpses of
frozen time and of unity.

2-4. The fast planets. Beginning of one's mystic-experiencing initiations.

1. Earth. Childish/animal delusion of freewill and motion; time passage taken
as simply real.


The Hermetic astrology of around 250 CE is similar to that of the Renaissance.
The New Chronology postulates that the years 600-900 didn't exist; that would
help explain this similarity, this apparent intact, wholesale leap of mystic
astrology across the supposed long divide from the Roman era to the
Renaissance era.

The astral ascent occurs in conjunction with eating manna — the bread of
heaven — or drinking from the krater of mind (krater means a bowl for 'mixed
wine').


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2349 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 07/10/2003
Subject: Early Xns unanimous about J’s historicity — which view tho?
There was no heated on-going battle regarding the existence of Jesus, because
everyone believed the same thing about Jesus. But the latter assertion is
ambiguous: did everyone believe that Jesus was a historical figure, or that he
was not a historical figure? The latter is the case, as argued in van
Eysinga's 1930 book "Does Jesus Live, or Has He Only Lived?", which focuses on
this very point.

Does Jesus Live, or Has He Only Lived? A Study of the Doctrine of Historicity
van den Bergh van Eysinga
http://www.egodeath.com/eysingadoesjesuslive.htm
1930

There was no debate about the historicity of Jesus in the modern sense,
because no one in early Christianity actually held the view that Jesus was
historical in the modern sense.


— Michael Hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 2350 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 07/10/2003
Subject: Web page: The New Chronology: Dark/Middle Ages Didn’t Exist
New Web page:
The New Chronology: The Dark Ages or Middle Ages Didn't Exist
http://www.egodeath.com/newchronology.htm

Includes books, Web pages, and searches.
Group: egodeath Message: 2351 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 07/10/2003
Subject: Occam’s razor and revisionist chronology
Some theorists of revisionist chronology assert that the Arabs preserved the
astrognosis writings for 300 years less than claimed by the established
chronology.

I am only beginning to study the New Chronology theory.
http://www.egodeath.com/newchronology.htm It's almost all in German at this
point — I am just beginning to scope it out, looking for English webpages and
machine-translating the German webpages. I'm also just beginning to study the
history of mystic astrology. I know little about the history of Roman to Arab
to Renaissance history and transmission of texts. If I knew anything more, I
would write it, insofar as it's on-topic.

I'm learning Western Esotericism studies; I am currently making a $180
decision whether to order the remaining issues for my Gnosis magazine
collection before they are shredded for good.

I am extremely interested in the theory of paradigms. Paradigms are
everything; everything depends upon interpretive frameworks for organizing
data and asking questions. Nevertheless, I'm not a radical relativist; I
think good sense leads the way, even though there's no formally clear basis
for "good sense".

Occam's razor is paradigm-dependent. The orthodox Christian assessment is
that Occam's razor dictates concluding that literalist Christianity came
first, and then Gnostic Christianity came second. Radical scholarship makes
an assessment that Occam's razor dictates concluding that Gnostic Christianity
came first, and then literalist Christianity came second.

From the literalist Christianity paradigm, some three hypotheses are involved
in the orthodox Eusebian history, while some fifteen hypotheses are involved
in the Radical assertion of the priority of gnostic Christianity. From the
point of view of the Radical paradigm, one's model of history is far simpler
and more plausible and sober if one accepts the priority of gnostic
Christianity, with literalist Christianity as a later, deviant, degenerated
form driven by power-mongering hierarchy-builders.

Incommensurable paradigms result in argument about which paradigm has the
fewest hypotheses; in the end, it may amount to a beauty contest, an aesthetic
judgment call.


— Michael Hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 2352 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 08/10/2003
Subject: Re: The Early Middle Ages didn’t exist. Studies of falsification o
I am not firstly interested in proving or disproving the Illig/Topper
theory that the Dark Ages 600-900 didn't exist. My driving motive is
to find new ways for dating the authorship of Christian scriptures
and writings, and to find new instances of questioning the
historicity of figures, such as King Charlemagne.

I have believed since at least a year ago that no history in the
Bible is literally true; it's all essentially mythic/mystic
metaphor. Against the tendencies of the theorists of time
reconstruction, the Bible stories are certainly not just for the
purpose of writing invented histories in order to legitimate rulers
and leaders. When one can read the language of mythic/mystic
metaphor, a coherent actual religion is reflected in the writings.

Time reconstruction brings Western Esotericism much closer to
Christianity; rather than an age-old strongly dominant Christianity,
with suppressed resurgent undercurrents of Western Esotericism
(alchemy, astrology, and magic). Time reconstruction puts these all
now on more of the same level in terms of influence, popularity,
authority, predominance, character, and age. It also brings them all
closer together, Gnosticism with Hermeticism with Christianity.

Instead of the conventional history, moving from Christianity to
Gnosticism, then a huge Christian-dominated Dark Ages, then the
rediscovery of Hermeticism, eliminating the years 600-900 enables
perceiving a seamless continuity of the whole grab bag: esoteric
Christianity, Gnosticism, Hermeticism, mystic astrology, high magic,
Jewish chariot/ascension mysticism, and high alchemy.

Doing away with the years 600-900 can support my mystic reading of
Christian writings on Eucharist in the Middle Ages, a reading which
recognizes the clear presence of authentic sacred eating and drinking
which actually induces the Holy Spirit — against the entheogen
scholarship error which tends to shoot itself in the foot and
diminish its own case by portraying authentic divine food as being
only present way back 2000 years ago in Jesus' inner circle and in
very minor, effectively suppressed alternative esoteric practices.

Against the current entheogen theory, I recognize authentic spirit-
inducing divine food as being present loud and clear in more like
a "mainstream" Middle Ages culture.

When people rail against 2000 years of strongly predominant
literalist Christianity, they too shoot themselves in the foot and
end up perpetuating the received paradigm, which is why the enemies
of "Christianity", conceived monolithically, are their own worst
enemies: they end up reifying the false history that the Church
invented — possibly invented very recently, such as 1550, according
to Edwin Johnson.

Atheists love most dearly the Dark Ages, as a club to
beat "Christianity" with, where the definition of "Christianity" is
gullibly accepted as put forward by the official literalist orthodoxy.

Maybe the period between Julius Caesar and the Reformation was
actually filled with only esoteric Christian practice, and the
placebo Eucharist has only been in use since just before the
Reformation era (1450).

Perhaps the Eusebian history was actually written around 1450-1550,
back-projecting literalist Christianity over 1500 years, but the
period between Julius Caesar and the Reformation was at least 300
years shorter, and was filled with proto-, esoteric, Gnostic
Christianity (with a Eucharist that actually induced the Holy
Spirit), rather than with literalist Christianity with its placebo
Eucharist.

Johnson suggests that the old Augustine and Arian writings debating
about freewill were largely or entirely fabricated around 1500, and
that the figures of Augustine and Arius could be merely figureheads
representing the doctrines of different coalitions of monasteries,
aligned with rulers. I may be distorting Johnson's hypothesis to
some degree.

A search on Uwe Topper Illig in English currently returns only 1 real
hit, unbelievably, even though it's been a hot topic on the Net — in
German. If you want to read now about "Time reconstruction" in
English, you'll have to do without any mentions of 'Illig'
and 'Topper', to date.
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-
8&as_qdr=all&q=illig+topper+uwe&btnG=Google+Search&lr=lang_en

Fortunately, machine translation works well enough to mostly decipher
the results.

No one claims time reconstruction is a waste of time. It's
insightful on the nature of historical theory and studies. Everyone
should know about it; it's mind-expanding. The subject opens myriad
possibilities for formulating new hypotheses about dating and
authorship of Christianity-related writings.

It's a huge rich mess of new possibilities to sort out, like the mess
one would have to sort out after laying out all the
(supposedly) "early" Christian writings for the purpose of looking
for recognition of a historical Jesus, and then one day, to one's
surprise, observing by accident that these writings lack any
awareness of the Paul figure — as happened so recently in the 1800's.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com/newchronology.htm – Illig, Topper, Johnson

Don't miss Peter Kirby's site http://www.didpaulexist.com

_________________

http://www.gernot-geise.de/html/archiv/zeit/zeitrechnung1.htm
Machine translation with some cleanup from Michael Hoffman:

The Christian church was created only in approximately in the 12th
Century in France. It had to be portrayed as older than comparable
religions, to be taken seriously. So it backdated the story of its
emergence and of the fairy tale about Jesus. So also the emergence of
the Bible is to be understood: The Jews wrote the Torah around the
12th Century and later. It wasn't permitted to concern it, of
course, now that the fabricated Christian church could not show a
comparable work.

Thus one took the Jewish Torah to short hand as collecting main (it
is kept in the Old Testament will still quite good) and tinkered,
thereby constructing, the Bible together. Already one had a
historiography with an impact (wimmelt, to it someone however hardly
ever took to impact of contradictions only in such a way, because
doubts about the "word of God" were punished on the hardest) and
invented the proof for the "true age" of the church. There is
actually not an earlier version of the Bible, or parts of it. Even
the notoriously famous Qumran scrolls only in first joy-overshot [?]
into the time briefly after Christ dated. The Bible and the Qumran
scrolls actually originated in the Middle Ages.

An artificially antedated history, filled up with (Christian) fantasy
kings, Popes and heroes, created for example also the justification,
Spain of the Islam (the supposed "re-conquering" of Spain, although
there was no Christianity there before.

The Middle Ages – and also times "delivered" before it – are with the
historians (unlike the popular readership) admits to extensive and
comprehensive falsification actions, which usually served the Glory
or the claim to power of a ruler or the church. Even respectable
scientists hold the opinion that hardly an excessive quantity of
evidence can be regarded as genuine or true. As already for example
Wattenbach/Duemmler/Huf in its standard works determine, he knows
that these points of the historians are on his side.

What should be managed with a comprehensive falsification action of
history? Obviously it concerned pure exercise of power of the
church, because it was predominantly the driving strength of the
falsifications. And that such an falsification action broadly put on
cannot take place completely smoothly and error free, it actually
provides numerous examples.

Documents in large yardstick were not only falsified (by one it for
example as copies of "missing person" Original designated, it however
never gave), but also inscriptions to churches, or even gravestones.
Many documents are well-known, in which names and data were actually
entered afterwards completely obviously later. I wait still for the
fact that finally someone with the Roman Reich and it clears up there
carried, where it belongs: into the waste-paper basket of world
history. Because there are likewise many wrong statements,
contradictions and wrong datings here as over the Middle Ages.

About our friend Tacitus we know in the meantime that it is a
fictitious shape. And with it its works, on those nearly our whole
roemische (and thus European) history constructs. The works of
Tacitus were written in the Middle Ages in the monastery Corvey.
Nevertheless no one so far dares doubt the Roman Empire. And it is
completely obvious nevertheless for a historically untrained layman
that here somewhat cannot be correct: Does one compare once the ?
roemischen? with the rulers of the?Heiligen Roman realm? The Middle
Ages it is astonishing their reigns are obviously a temporal
duplication. Wouldn't that be a topic for Uwe Topper?


Just to remind people that time reconstruction is fully a matter of
debate at this point, here is one book that seems to be intended to
disprove Illig's elimination of the Dark Ages.

Franz Krojer
The precision of the precession
Illig's medieval phantom time from astronomical view
With a contribution by Thomas Schmidt
http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?
hl=en&u=http://www.negation.info/differenz/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dillig%
2Btopper%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%
26sa%3DN
492 sides
ISBN 3-00-009853-4
26.00 euro
Group: egodeath Message: 2353 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 08/10/2003
Subject: Turin shroud of Jacques de Molay, Xy recent
It would be an abuse of the discussion group to post a large number
of hypotheses, as enabled by the new chronology, in order to be able
to claim to have published the idea first. All these types of "new"
proposed ideas are largely fallout from Johnson's work in 1894, and
from Illig and crew.

Time reconstruction might offer some coherent support for the Shroud
problem and the late dating of the Shroud, by suggesting a very late
dating of Christianity as we know it — on this side of the purported
Dark Ages. The New Chronology, when including Edwin Johnson, might
support this idea.

The thrashing of Jacques de Molay (1244 – 1314) in 1314 could be, in
some sense, an original and first instance of the literal
crucifixion.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Jacques+de+Molay

The shroud of Turin shows de Molay. The history of the shroud and
the tradition of it might not really go back earlier than de Molay;
its antiquity may be an illusion back-projected through false history.

The Church as a literalist hierarchical institution is perhaps young,
perhaps 1100's. That seems to be what some proponents of time
reconstruction suggest.

The heresy in the South of France perhaps wasn't a resurgence in long-
established Christendom of a late heresy; rather, esoteric
Christianity was the only kind for centuries, into the years after
the Dark Ages, and then institutional Christianity was invented, with
a false story of its centuries-old strong dominance, and sought to co-
opt the widespread esoteric religion.

Take the familiar idea of the struggle of the Church to co-opt
Gnosticism and forcefully pull together all religions, but move that
idea into the near side of the strange and mysterious gap called the
Dark Ages.
Group: egodeath Message: 2354 From: aelewis@provide.net Date: 08/10/2003
Subject: Re: The Early Middle Ages didn’t exist… [questions]
You may already have dealt with these questions in posts before
I subbed to the list, in which case, ignore them.

> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:17:40 -0700
> From: "Michael Hoffman" <mhoffman@…>
> Subject: RE: The Early Middle Ages didn't exist. Studies of
> falsification of history.
>
> I am not firstly interested in proving or disproving the
> Illig/Topper theory that the Dark Ages 600-900 didn't exist. My
> driving motive is to find new ways for dating the authorship of
> Christian scriptures and writings, and to find new instances of
> questioning the historicity of figures, such as King Charlemagne.

Why is it necessary or desirable to question the historicity of
figures such as King Charlemagne? How does the existence of
Charlemagne interfere with your hypothesis(es)?

[…..]

> Instead of the conventional history, moving from Christianity to
> Gnosticism, then a huge Christian-dominated Dark Ages, then the
> rediscovery of Hermeticism, eliminating the years 600-900 enables
> perceiving a seamless continuity of the whole grab bag: esoteric
> Christianity, Gnosticism, Hermeticism, mystic astrology, high
> magic, Jewish chariot/ascension mysticism, and high alchemy.

Why? How? This has not been explained, that I have seen.

Also: why does the grab-bag have to be seamless?

> Doing away with the years 600-900 can support my mystic reading of
> Christian writings on Eucharist in the Middle Ages, a reading
> which recognizes the clear presence of authentic sacred eating and
> drinking which actually induces the Holy Spirit — against the
> entheogen scholarship error which tends to shoot itself in the
> foot and diminish its own case by portraying authentic divine food
> as being only present way back 2000 years ago in Jesus' inner
> circle and in very minor, effectively suppressed alternative
> esoteric practices.

Why does your mystic reading require the doing-away with the years
6-900? How is your mystic reading strengthened by same? This is
not clear to me. What exactly is it in the standard history of
6-900 that is so inconsistent with or harmful to your thesis?

Alan

_____________________________________________________________________
Group: egodeath Message: 2355 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 09/10/2003
Subject: Robust permutations of entheogen theories, new chronologies
The existence of the years 600-900 or Charlemagne may or may not interfere
with the entheogen hypothesis. There are two versions of the entheogen
hypothesis, one aligned with the conventional chronology, and one aligned with
the new chronology. The field of new chronology is brand new, so new that it
doesn't really exist in English. And my study of the field is brand new.

There is now a question of *whether* the new chronology offers stronger
support for the entheogen theory of religion. The new chronology clearly
offers a *chance* of increasing the support for the entheogen theory of
religion.

There are various reasons for entheogen scholars to consider the new
chronology. The greater the number of radical theories we know, the larger
our conceptual vocabulary, enabling picking and choosing the choicest elements
from each perspective, resulting in a highly stable and viable interpretive
framework.

I am currently not so interested in the simple proposal of adjusting our
calendars to close a 300-year gap.

A current question is, all the Renaissance Western Esotericists (alchemy,
magic, astrology, Hermeticism) — did they possess the New Testament, or were
the Pauline epistles, the gospels, and the "early" Church Fathers all written
and backdated in an effort around 1500 to forcibly corral all the
quasi-Gnostics — including dualistic Cathars — of the Renaissance era?

To investigate how strong of an entheogen theory is possible with the
conventional chronology versus with the new chronology, we must define the two
proposed systems side by side, clarifying them both. We can define multiple
variants of the entheogen theory of religion, multiple chronology theories,
and multiple theories about dating the supposed "early" Christian writings and
about the historicity of New Testament figures and other figures.

We must study all of the following subjects:
o Comparative chronology theories.
o Quasi-historical literature and forgery.
o Evaluating historicity.
o Various entheogen theories of religion.
o Different theories of metaphysical determinism.
o Different theories of Western esotericism.
o Different theories of the mystery religions and banquet traditions.


There are myriad odd aspects of today's history of esotericism. There was
supposedly a whole world of activity, then a long, complete darkness, and then
suddenly, the exact same whole world of esoteric traditions springs back to
life. Esotericism in general has timeless similarities, but some similarities
are odd and too perfect, such as the Catholic priests and the Jewish priests,
both blocking the way to mystic experience.

I've been fully satisfied with following my gut feeling of plausibility on
these matters — it's the only way to break out from one paradigm into
another. After reading a handful of books on Christian history, I looked back
at felt a mysterious missing period: the blank ages, the crayon scribbling
book period, not convincingly drawn.

The entheogen theory rests on thin ground, and solid ground. There never
seems to be enough evidence of it, and the thesis depends on claiming that
visionary plants were always kept hidden by those who liked them.

One reason I am attracted to discussing Rush rather than other groups as an
acid rock band, is that there is no dispute regarding Led Zeppelin's use of
drugs; there is no surprise, no paradigm shifting, no news there. But fans
today think that Rush was somehow different, the lone exception of the
drug-soaked post-60s, 1970s. The drug topic is more interestingly hidden in
Rush than in the obviously drug-cultured bands.


Telling a drastically different story about chronology enables telling some
drastically different stories about the entheogen theories of religion. Per
Edwin Johnson, attended to now by Uwe Topper, the Roman Empire was not
(2000-500=) 1500 years ago, but instead was only 800 years ago. (The years
700-1400 didn't exist, so subtracted a 700-year phantom interval.)

Christianity is a very recent invention of around 1500 (500 years ago, not
2000 years ago) that projected a literary illusion of the Roman Empire being a
long time ago and projecting Church history way back onto that time. The
Roman Empire leaps 700 years nearer to our time. The origin of the Church,
the pseudo-"early" Church Father writings, and the epistles and gospels, leaps
from happening 1900 or 1600 years ago, to happening just 500 years ago.

"Ancient" Rome with its mystery-religions leaps nearer to our time, and Church
origins leap even nearer. Much more or tighter continuity is suggested by a
time period too brief for much variation, explaining why the Western
esotericism just prior to the 1500s was so strangely similar to the forms of
esotericism on the other side of the supposed period called the Dark Ages.

So far, I don't see the entheogen theory or theories as being dependent on
other variants of other theories, such as whether we reasonably conclude there
was a single historical individual warranting the label of "the historical
Jesus" or "the historical Paul". Even if Jesus pops into existence, the fact
remains that entheogens run circles around other methods of inducing the
mystic state, in terms of ergonomics and efficiency, and that the surest
candidate for the main wellspring of religion is entheogens, not meditation or
contemplation.

The entheogen argument can and should be won against all paradigmatic
backdrops or frameworks of interpretation. The environment is what you care
about? Then you should advocate legalization of all drugs. Literalist
religion is what you care about? Jesus administered the sacrament as
hierophant. Mystic experiencing? See entheogens. Gnosticism? Drink a cup
of mind. Health is your concern? Medical cannabis is the best cause.

The entheogen argument should not be founded on the cornerstone of the
historical Jesus, or on the cornerstone of conventional chronology. The
entheogen theory of religion must be developed and strengthened against the
backdrop of myriad frameworks and paradigms.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience. The essence, paradigm, origin, and fountainhead of religion is
the use of visionary plants to routinely trigger the intense mystic altered
state, producing loose cognitive association binding, which then produces an
experience of frozen block-universe determinism with a single, pre-existing,
ever-existing future. The return of ordinary state of consciousness is
allegorized as a transcendence of Necessity or cosmic determinism. Myth
describes this mystic-state experience. Initiation is classically a series of
some 8 visionary-plant sessions, interspersed with study of perennial
philosophy. Most religion is a distortion, corruption, literalization, and
cooptation of this standard initiation system.
Group: egodeath Message: 2356 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 09/10/2003
Subject: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
This is my reformatted copy for increased comprehensibility.

The Pauline Epistles – Re-Studied and Explained
Book by Edwin Johnson, 1894
http://www.egodeath.com/edwinjohnsonpaulineepistles.htm
145 pages (72 page webpage printout)

Proposes that the years 700-1400 didn't exist, and that Christianity, the
"early" Christian texts, the Dark Ages, the Middle Ages, and the Church
Fathers of the Roman era (Origin, Augustine, and the rest) were literary
inventions fabricated in competing monasteries around 1500.


Done:
Removed original page numbers in square brackets.
Changed endnotes to inline notes.
Added inline section headings.

To Do:
Move inline headings to correct locations.
Change roman numbers to Arabic.
Add hyperlinks to references.
Add highlighted notes or takeaway points per chapter, forming a study guide.


— Michael Hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 2357 From: jamesjomeara Date: 09/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Thanks for bringing E. Johnson to light. I love this kind of stuff!
I've printed off both books as pdf files from one of those German
sites.

You're right about the value of adding concepts, expanding vocabulary
of rebellion, etc. However, I have some nagging doubts about
Johnson. When I was "teaching myself NT Greek", the little Teach
Yourself Book (from 1940 something) started off by talking about how
people used to wonder about the incredibly "bad" Greek of the NT, and
some postulated that it was a specially designed "sprititual" languge
devised by the Holy Spirit to communicate these special truths.
Eventually, the more prosaic answer was found when they unearthed
tons of papayrus with just ordinary bills, letters, etc. written in
just that style. Turned out it was neither "bad" Greek
nor "spiritual" Greek, but a particular dialect, namely Koine.

This is now a commonplace, there are books teaching Koine Greek, it's
a recognized dialect, etc.

But doesn't Johnson assume, then, the earlier idea: he knows nothing
of Koine, and imagines the monks writing the NT in their barbarous
Greek. How could the monks have written the entire NT is a special
dialect of Greek, unknown to them (or anyone) at the time, which has
now been re-discovered, through thousands of everyday life type
fragments? Only Lovecraft could imagine that!

Also, weren't fragments of Gospels etc. found at Qumron and
other "lost gospel" sites? (Too lazy to look up the refereneces).

Just asking. As I say, it's certainly valuable stuff for freeing up
the conceptual imagination. I'm booking my weekend for Antiqua Mater!

James
Group: egodeath Message: 2358 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 09/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Johnson brings the time of the Roman Empire forward, much closer to our time.
He claims that the lost gospels are also products of around 1500.

Every interpretive framework has its difficulties. Even reality is full of
implausibilities. Reality is quite commonly stranger than fiction, so the
fact that a framework has apparent difficulties and implausibilities in a
sense doesn't matter at all.

o Can you believe we put a man on the moon, with 1960s technology? Such a
feat was perhaps possible, but *highly* unlikely — one could reasonably say.

o Can you believe that lowly *drugs*, can produce classic peak religious
experiencing? Highly implausible, yet it's a fact that no one is able to
deny, though a fact that torments many who wish to mentally separate the two.
The entheogen theory of religion — drugs as by far the main wellspring of
religion — has apparent difficulties and implausibilities, yet it is
reasonable to accept and commit to that view as a research paradigm.

o Determinism has apparent difficulties and implausibilities, yet it is
reasonable to accept and commit to that view as a research paradigm.

o The entirely fictional and mythic-metaphorical-mystic nature of Jesus,
Paul, and the other Apostles has apparent difficulties and implausibilities,
yet it is reasonable to accept and commit to that view as a research paradigm.


(It is ironic that of the above examples, the most liable to be suspect of
being off-topic in a Historicity of Jesus discussion group is the entheogens
example.)


The only way to understand what it is that Johnson is asserting, is to fully
believe him. I believe so that I may understand. Later may be time to doubt.
I gather that everyone loves Antiqua Mater, but The Pauline Epistles is beyond
the ability of scholars to consider, because it presents too alien of a
paradigm to even grasp what he's saying. Part of the problem, though, is
merely the formatting and presentation of Johnson's ideas. That's why I'm
doing whatever it takes to make a clear study edition.

I might apply a gray-background highlighter effect to some sentences,
transferring my color highlighting from paper to the screen. There's no
reason why this book needs to be so unclear; I can make it fully skimmable so
that you can see his key points and assertions in a few minutes.

— Michael Hoffman



Don't miss Peter Kirby's, "Back-dated Christian Writings":
http://www.backdatedchristianwritings.com or his "Did Paul Exist?" page:
http://www.didpaulexist.com/
Group: egodeath Message: 2359 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 09/10/2003
Subject: Acid rocker Eddie Money, “I Think I’m In Love”
Heard upon leaving a pizza place in an upscale mall: "It surrounds me, ooh,
like a sea of madness — It controls me, makes me do all the things I do for
you — On my mind babe, thinkin' about you now — And I don't know if I'll
make it through the night."

Struggling to hang on through the night is a classic acid-rock theme.

_________

Eddie Money, "I Think I'm In Love"

Ooh, something's got a hold of me now
It's a feeling, burnin' up like I'm on fire
Hold me tight babe, don't leave me by myself tonight
'Cause I don't think I can make it through the night

CHORUS:
I think I'm in love
And my life's lookin' up
I think I'm in love
'Cause I can't get enough
I think I'm in love
It's gotta be love

It surrounds me, ooh, like a sea of madness
It controls me, makes me do all the things I do for you
On my mind babe, thinkin' about you now
And I don't know if I'll make it through the night

CHORUS

I think I'm in love and love's enough

CHORUS

Baby help me do it
There must be something to it
I know it's gotta be love
Group: egodeath Message: 2360 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Entheogenesis Conference, Ruck & Staples publications
Entheogenesis: Exploring Humanity’s Relationship with Sacred Plants, Past,
Present and Future
Jan 31st to Feb 1st

http://www.entheogenesis.ca/index2.html

Featured Speakers
Prof. Carl Ruck, Prof. Blaise Staples;
Lecture 1: The entheogenic Eucharist of Mithras
Lecture 2: Survivals of Pagan Shamanism
a) European Fairy Tales
b) Heretical Visionary Sacraments

Dr. Ethan Russo;
Day 1: Bhang, Ganja and Charas. Ancient Cannabis Claims and their Scientific
Rationale
Day 2: The Myth of Schedule I: Medical Uses of Forbidden Plants and Compounds

Marc Emery
Iboga Therapy House

Chris Bennett
Kaneh Bosem: The Hidden Story of Cannabis in the Bible
http://www.forbiddenfruitpublishing.com

David Aaron
Liberating the Plants of Consciousness: The Law is on Our Side

Renee Boje
Trials of the Ancient and Modern Witch
http://www.urbanshaman.net

Luke Brown
Art Show: Entheogen inspired Creations.

Sponsors:
http://www.pot-tv.net
http://www.theibogatherapyhouse.org
http://www.urbanshaman.net

_________________________

Author, Lecturer and Proffessor of Classical Mythology at Boston University,
Carl P. Ruck,was instrumental in coining the term "entheogens", ('becoming
divine within') that designates the use of psycho-active sacraments in the
context of spiritual practice..

CARL ANTON PAUL RUCK

Carl Ruck
Born: December 8, 1935, Bridgeport, CT, USA

Clark University, psychology 1953
Yale University, pre-medical, psychology, Classical philology: BA
University of Michigan, Classical philology: MA 1959
Harvard University, Classical philology: PhD 1965

New since last report: Entries on “Diana” “Castor and Pollux” Encyclopedia of
Myth, Brown Publishing Group, London Entries on “entheogens (Psychedelic
Drugs) and Shamanism” (with Mark Hoffman) “Shamanism in the Classical World”
“European Shamanism” (introductory overview) Encyclopedia of Shamanism,
ABC-Clio, Santa Barbara, CA “Snow White, Odysseus, and the Mushroom: Soma’s
Fairytale Ending in the West,” (with José Alfredo González Celdrán, Mark
Hoffman, & Blaise Daniel Staples), Entheos: Journal of Psychedelic
Spirituality, vol. 2, no. 2, (Winter), 2002.

IG II2 2323 The List of Victors in Comedy at the Dionysia, Leiden, Brill,
1967.

Pindar: Selected Odes (with W. Matheson) (Ann Arbor, University of Michigan
Press, 1967.

Ancient Greek: A New Approach, Cambridge, MA, MIT Press 1968, 1972.

Ancient Greek: A New Approach, Cambridge, MA, MIT Press, 19792, new completely
revised edition.

The Road to Eleusis: Unveiling the Secret of the Mysteries (R. Gordon Wasson,
Albert Hofmann, & B.D. Staples) (New York, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich 1978: Los
Angeles, Hermes 1998.

Translations of The Road to Eleusis:
El camino a Eleusis: Una solution al enigma de los misterios, Fondo de Cultura
Economico, Mexico, DF, 1980.
O Dromos yia ten Eleusina, Synergatikes Ekdoseis Koinoteta, Athens, 1982.
Der Weg nach Eleusis: Das Geheimnis der Mysterien, Insel Verlag, 1984,
Suhrkamp, 1990.
Alla Scoperta dei Misteri Eleusini, Apogeo, Milan, 1996.

The Road to Eleusis: Unveiling the Secret of the Mysteries, (20th year
commemorative augmented reissue, Los Angeles, Hermes Press, 1998.

Strategies in Teaching Greek and Latin: Two Decades of Experimentation, (Floyd
L. Moreland, ed.), 'Reading Greek,' Scholars Press, 1981.

On Nature (L:. Rouner, ed.) “The Wild and the Cultivated in Greek Religion,”
Notre Dame, University of Notre Dame, 1984.

Persephone's Quest: entheogens and the Origins of Religion (with R. Gordon
Wasson et al.) New Haven, CT, Yale 1986.

Translation of Persephone's Quest:
La busqueda de Persefone. Los enteogenos y los origenes de la religio, Fondo
de Cultura Economico, Mexico, DF, 1996.

Latin: A Concise Structural Course, University Press of America, 1987.

The Sacred Mushroom Seeker (T. Riedlinger, ed.) 'Mr. Wasson and the Greeks,'
(Portland, OR, Dioscorides Press, 1990)

The World of Classical Myth: Gods and Goddesses, Heroines and Heroes (with
B.D. Staples), (Carolina Academic Press 1994)

Ethnobotany: Evolution of a Discipline (Richard Evans Schultes & Siri von
Reis, eds.) “Gods and Plants in the Classical World,” Portland, OR,
Dioscorides Press, 1995.

Decisions, Decisions: Ancient Empires (academic advisor for computer tutorial
Program) (Watertown, MA, Tom Snyder Productions, 1996).

Mushroom (consultant for video program):"a 26 minute journey into Americans'
passions for an extraordinary product of the earth" Premiered March 30th, 1996
at Boston Museum of Fine Arts: Tied to the Tracks Films, Inc (by Angelica
Allende Brisk & Rachel Libert).

Consultant for video program on R. Gordon Wasson, prepared for German Public
Television, Third Program (broadcast November, 1996).

The Blackwell Dictionary of Anthropology (Thomas J. Bayfield, ed.) entry on
“Myth.”

Intensive Latin: First year and Review (with computer tutorial Vade Mecum)
Durham, NC, Carolina Academic Press, 1997.

The Apples of Apollo: Pagan and Christian Mysteries of the Eucharist (with
Clark Heinrich and B.D. Staples), Durham, NC, Carolina Academic Press, 2000.

Ancient Greek: Intensive Review and Reference, Durham, NC, Carolina Academic
Press, 2001.

Essays published in scholarly journals:

“Marginalia Pindarica I-VI,” Hermes, 1968-1972.

“Euripides' Mother: Vegetables and the Phallos in Aristophanes,” Arion 1975.

“On the Sacred Names of Iamos and Ion: Ethnobotanical Referents in the Hero's
Parentage,” Classical Journal, 1976.

“Duality and the Madness of Herakles,” Arethusa, 1976.

“A Mythic Search for Identity in a Male to Female Transsexual,” (with M.
Fleming), Journal of Analytical Psychology, 1979.

“Mushrooms and Mysteries: On Aristophanes and the Necromancy of Socrates,”
Helios, 1981.

“Mushrooms and Philosophers,” Journal of Ethnopharmacology, 1981

“The Wild and the Cultivated: Wine in Euripides' Bacchae,” Journal of
Ethnopharmacology 1982

“The Offerings from the Hyperboreans,” Journal of Ethnopharmacology 1983

“Mistletoe, Centaurs, and Datura,” (with B.D. Staples) Eleusis n.s. 1.2 1999,
3-23.

“Perseus, the Mushroom Picker,” (with Clark Heinrich & B.D. Staples), Eleusis
n.s. 1.2 1999, 25-55.

“Jason, the Drug Man,” (with Clark Heinrich & B.D. Staples) Eleusis n.s. 1.3,
1999, 27-68.

“Mixing the Kykeon,” (with Peter Webster & Daniel M. Perrine), Eleusis n.s.
1.4 2000, 55-86

“Conjuring Eden: Art and the entheogenic Vision of Paradise,” (with Mark
Hoffman & Blaise Staples, Entheos: Journal of Psychedelic Spirituality, vol.
1, no. 1, Summer 2001, 13-50. Website gallery of additional images cued to the
text at <http://www.entheomedia.com/eden1.htm>

“entheogens,” (with Bigwood, Ott, Staples, & Wasson), reprint of 1979,
Entheos: Journal of Psychedelic Spirituality, vol. 1, no. 1, Summer 2001, 4-5.

“Daturas and the Virgin,” (with José Alfredo González Celdrán), Entheos:
Journal of Psychedelic Spirituality, vol. 1, no. 2, 2001 (Winter), 49-74.

“The Miskwedo of the Ahnisinaubeg,” (CAPR editor, unpublished manuscript of R.
Gordon Wasson, Harvard Botanical Archives), Entheos: Journal of Psychedelic
Spirituality, vol. 1, no. 2, (Winter) 2001, 3-12.

“The entheogenic Eucharist of Mithras,” (with Mark Hoffman and B.D. Staples),
Entheos: Journal of Psychedelic Spirituality, vol. 2, no. 1, (Summer), 2002.

“De rebus Mithraicis POSTSCRIPTM,” (translated by CAPR from the Spanish of
José Alfredo González), Entheos: Journal of Psychedelic Spirituality, vol. 2,
no. 1, (Summer), 2002.

“An Entheobotanical Interpretation of Two Paintings by J.M. Turner,”
(translated by CAPR from the French of Vincent Wattiaux), Entheos: Journal of
Psychedelic Spirituality, vol. 2, no. 1, (Summer), 2002.

_________________________

Prof. Blaise Staples:

Classical scholar, Blaise Staples, of Boston University worked along side R.
Gordon Wasson, Johnathan Ott, and Carl Ruck to coin the term entheogen. He is
the co-author of such entheo-botanical classics as Persephone's Quest and
Apples of Apollo.

Blaise Daniel Staples
Date of birth: July 13, 1948
Place of birth: Massachusetts, U.S.A.

Education:

Boston University, B.A., Comparative Religion, Greek Language and Literature,
1972
Brown University, post-graduate studies, Classics
Boston University, Ph.D, Classical Studies, 1978

Dissertation: (unpublished)

PEA PTEROENTA: Plot and Metaphor in Aristophanes


Publications: books

The Apples of Apollo: Pagan and Christian Mysteries of the Eucharist
(with C.A.P. Ruck and Clark Heinrich) Carolina Academic Press, Durham, NC,
U.S.A., 2000
ISBN 0-89089-924-X

The World of Classical Myth: Gods and Goddesses, Heroines and Heroes
(with C.A.P. Ruck) Carolina Academic Press, 1994 ISBN 0-89089-575-9

The Road to Eleusis: Unveiling the Secret of the Mysteries
(with R. Gordon Wasson, Albert Hofmann & C.A.P. Ruck)
translation of the Homeric Hymn to Demeter
Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich, New York, 1978; reissued commemorative edition,
1998 ISBN 0-915148-20-x

Publications: articles

Entheogens (with R. Gordon Wasson, J. Bigwood, J. Ott, C.A.P. Ruck) Journal of
Psychedelic Drugs, 11 (1-2), 1979

Mistletoe, Centaurs, and Datura (with C.A.P. Ruck) Eleusis n.s. 1.2, 1999

Perseus the Mushroom Picker (with C.A.P. Ruck and Clark Heinrich) Eleusis
n.s., 1.2, 1999

Jason the Drug Man (with C.A.P. Ruck and Clark Heinrich) Eleusis n.s., 1.3.,
1999
Group: egodeath Message: 2361 From: prairiskier Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Trails Left Untredded
This is directed at Mike Hoffman. Although I found the Ego Death site
wonderfully inspired & thoroughly thought provoking (no glad handing
here), I must take exception at the proposition that Rush has
foregone and lost its inspiration this last decade of its
transendental existence and origins.
Take "Vapor Trail" from the album of the similar moniker.
The very first lyric "Stratospheric traces of our transitory flight –
Trails of condensation held in narrow bands of white". Does this not
describe the effects of temporary chemically induced hallucination or
is Peart only talking of the observation of high altitude jet flight
producing water vapor?
"Horizon to horizon – memory written on the wind" is a reference you
yourself used in the thematic allusion of "tripping" to the wind.
"Fading away like an hourglass, grain by grain
Swept away like voices in a hurricane". Timelessness, time dilation,
wind as a thematic force to be felt not seen.
"Atmospheric phases make the transitory last – Vaporize the memories
that freeze the fading past". Again hallucinations, time dilation,
but now involving memories.
"Silence all the songbirds – Stilled by the killing frost – Forests
burn to ashes – Everything is lost – Washed away like footprints in
the rain – In a vapor trail". Damn fatalist of Peart if you ask me.
This is not meant to argue with any your excellent observations,
Mike. Only to agree with your conclusion of Rush as being the best
acid rock trio of all time.
Thanks,
prairiskier
Group: egodeath Message: 2362 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Stylistic expansion of postings, biographical information
I've posted straight, clear writing, avoiding any trace of personal
conversation, humor, irony, fun, or wit; neither cleverly amusing in tone,
facetiously playfully, nor given to wit and good humor; not merry, sportive,
or jocular, never characterized by wit and pleasantry; certainly not exciting
laughter, as in a facetious story or reply.

This is because the world needs new unambiguous clarity, finally, where there
has always been haze and confusion. People are so confused about
spirituality, about what's important and central, about where the wellspring
is and what the point is, what the difference is between good living and that
which elevates it. I've written this way to enable reusing these writings;
I've put myself under stylistic constraints — which has pros and cons. As
Hofstadter points out in the book Le Ton Beau De Marot, constraints enable.


Le Ton Beau De Marot: In Praise of the Music of Language
Douglas Hofstadter
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0465086454
1997

So far, the discussion group has remained perfectly on-topic; off-topic
postings haven't risen to the level of being a problem at all. Perhaps up to
25% off-topic postings would be ok. I have been like a dictatorial moderator
in fear of the slippery-slope effect. I've moderated my postings heavily,
often resisting the temptation to post drug news, or guitar-amp postings.
Everyone should be allowed their 15% of off-topic postings or passages. I've
been condemning heavy-handed moderators lately. Is it really that hard to
achieve a reasonable balance?

Is there really such a very high risk of a slippery-slope effect, where all
hope is considered lost as soon as there are two or three off-topic postings?
I was reading alt.guitar.amps discussion area and was upset about the high
percentage of off-topic postings and wanted to ban all of them — even though
I enjoyed reading one particular off-topic thread. I'm undecided on this
subject.

There are even professional discussion groups where every posting is
moderated, and the number of postings per day is limited, and the hosts often
ask contributors to further edit before letting the message go through to the
group — so the Jesus Mysteries group really isn't *that* heavily moderated.

My criticism isn't of the degree of moderation, but rather, of the chosen
scope: the moderators *claim* the group has a certain scope, but in
*practice*, it has a narrower and less inspired scope; the promised scope
attracts, but the delivered scope is grossly inadequate and distorted.
Certain off-topic postings are actually on-topic or reasonable, and some
aren't.

I want to post a few of my writings on other subjects specifically for the
purpose of adding a little bit of complexity to my persona. It seems unfair
if I get to do this, while prohibiting others from it. On the other hand, it
is undeniable that in practice, this discussion group is the "All About
Michael Show", so that fleshing out some peripheral interests and activities
of mine, is bound to be more pertinent that hearing about other people.

However, the question arises and risk arises of a personality cult. I used to
envision some kind of fame, but I'm increasingly overtaken by apprehension of
any attention and any fame; if fame is necessary, it is a necessary evil. I
used to picture pictures of me. Now my only reason for pictures is that I'm
becoming old and wrinkled. People like biographies. A biography of a thinker
is on-topic.

I must be left alone in peace and quiet in my own private corner of
cyberspace. The last priority is publicity, which is a synonym of
'distraction' and interference with my work, which I live for — working on my
work, which no one understands.

A bit of biographical information about me:

I am a sensitive artist. Nobody understands me, because I am so deep. In my
work, I make allusions to books that nobody else has read, music that nobody
else has heard, and art that nobody else has seen. I can't help it, because I
am so much more intelligent and well-rounded than everyone who surrounds me.

I stopped watching TV when I was six years old because it was so boring and
stupid, and started reading books and going to recitals and art galleries.
But I don't go to recitals anymore, because my hearing is too sensitive. And
I don't go to art galleries anymore, because there are people there, and I
can't deal with people, because they don't understand me. I stay home reading
books that challenge my intellect, and working on my work, which no one
understands.


— Michael Hoffman
Moderator-God
Group: egodeath Message: 2363 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: OT/Bio: Adding a speaker isolation cab to your home studio
Practical ways to get authentic, authoritative cranked-amp tone with minimal
noise leakage

The ideal approach is to create a permanent setup of a double-layered guitar
speaker isolation cabinet in another room, or a super-insulated closet in
another room. The most ideal would be a small massive concrete or brick room
with inner insulation on the surfaces. Purchase one or two guitar speakers
dedicated to this isolation booth and one or two guitar-cab mics dedicated to
this isolation booth. The ideal is a booth large enough to roll in a 4×12 cab
and mic setups, with breathing room for the speakers. Run permanent cables
between your control room/performance space and the remote isolation booth:
one speaker cable and two mic cables.

When using a remote multimiked speaker isolation cab, which is the only way to
get authoritative cranked-amp Rock guitar tone quietly, you end up with three
cables running off into the distance, from the control room/performance area.
These form an abstract transducer processing module, converting a high-power
signal as the input signal, to a complexly smoothed and complexly distorted
multimiked output signal which you can then blend and equalize at the mixer.

Be sure to put an equalizer on either side of this speaker-mic transducer
processing module: one equalizer (such as a guitar amp's bass, mid, and treble
controls) before the power amplifier that's driving the guitar speaker, and
one equalizer (such as the mixer's bass, mid, and treble controls) after the
mics — just as you should bracket *any* major distortion stage with
equalizers, one before and one after.

The worst-case, minimal approach is buying a big box and dropping it over a
combo amp in the same room — that's barely good enough to bother with.

It is a practical idea to keep a good power attenuator such as the THD Hot
Plate in between whatever amplifier you use to drive the guitar speaker, and
the guitar speaker. This can be used to incrementally reduce the volume late
at night (alas, reducing the amount of highly desirable, even though subtle,
speaker distortion). A power attenuator also enables using a 100-watt amp to
drive a 25-watt guitar speaker without blowing up the speaker too soon.

You should purchase extra guitar speakers, because speakers are like tubes and
guitar strings: they regularly break when pushed into their interesting,
nonlinear range.

You can also use a muffled guitar speaker without a cab or mics, or in a
face-down cab, just to load the amp — but the Weber MASS may be a less
expensive and more ergonomic solution; it's a power attenuator using an actual
guitar speaker, without surface, as the dummy load component. It has tone
controls on the line-level Out jack.

For a further tonal compromise, using no actual guitar speakers, but still
obtaining power-tube saturation, use a dummy load then a guitar speaker cab
simulator. Power attenuators always have a dummy load component, and
typically *don't* have a built-in guitar speaker cab simulator.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.amptone.com — toward any Tone at any volume
Group: egodeath Message: 2364 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: OT/Bio: Bk: Gear Secrets .. Guitar: CD sounds like abs. sht
Gear Secrets of the Guitar Legends: How to Sound Like Your Favorite Players
Pete Prown, Lisa Sharken
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/087930751X
June 2003

So far, I rate the book tentatively as mediocre (very uninsightful about Eddie
Van Halen's setup), and the accompanying CD as zero stars. Please help me
find language harsh enough, if possible, to describe this CD. After gathering
articles about genuine star guitar rigs, one editor bothered pouring his time
and energy into making a so-called sample CD — using a POD-type device!

I just can't *stand* the sound of *any* tracks on that CD: fake, fake,
incomplete, half-baked Tone at best. This is the worst amp tone sample CD
I've ever heard. Lose-your-lunch awful. It's positively *evil* and harmful,
misleading and misguiding young guitarists to make them think that this
wretched non-range of non-Tone is even worth putting down on tape. It's
mediocre *at best*; well suited for — nothing. I wouldn't let my dog listen
to it.

Why would anyone ever choose to listen to this wretched fake sound when they
could easily put on a genuine, rich sounding record instead? If some kid
wants to record such a fake sound, that's their business, but it is downright
immoral to use the opposite of Tone, to create a CD that is marketed as
showcasing the authentic, *real* amp sounds, including actual power tubes and
bona fide speaker distortion, which are explained to some extent within the
book.

The *only* thing the CD demonstrates is negative: why your tone is doomed to
sound like a total uninspired amateur and poseur if you use a POD-type
processor rather than actual power tubes and hard-pushed guitar speaker. No
content of the book can make up for this sin and crime against the guitar
gods. The CD proves that simulators and emulators are the equipment of the
mortals; actual cranked amps are essential to the qualifications of the guitar
gods.

This sample CD could be the greatest boon to amp tone, by scaring people away
from POD-type processors, putting some fear of the devil into them, jolting
some good sense into them to run out and get instead an actual miked-amp
setup, such as a tube power amp and a guitar speaker, possibly multimiked in
an isolation booth.

Books about Getting Guitar Sounds
http://www.amptone.com/booksgettingguitarsounds.htm

— Michael Hoffman
Amptone.com
Group: egodeath Message: 2365 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: OT/Bio: Effects between amp and speaker
>>I have heard people talking about putting time-based effects (delay,
tremolo, etc.) in between the amp itself and the speaker cabinet. Has
> anyone ever heard of doing this?


Yes. Use a standard 3-stage dummy-load amp rig, shown below.


>>The THD Hotplate (which is placed between the amp and speaker) has a Line
OUT, but I believe it has to go to another power amp to be used.


Correct. Use any power attenuator as a dummy load; use the dummy load
component that's in any power attenuator, and leave the load-splitting circuit
unused.


>>I'm trying to exhaust every avenue of my sound, looking for something that
is my own.

Eddie Van Halen made the 3-stage amp rig his own sound, and also split the
signal after the dummy load, to form one dry guitar speaker cab and one for
late fx such as reverb.

Trent Reznor made the fake-o degraded simulator processor sound his own,
playing on its signature artificial and cold character.


Start by not innovating, but use either of the two standard professional
studio rig chains: 2-stage amp rig with power attenuator, or 3-stage amp rig
with dummy load:


Standard 2-stage amp rig with power attenuator:

eq and other fx (stage 1)
preamp distortion (pedal or amp's built-in)
eq and other fx (stage 2)
tube power amp
power attenuator (as loud as permitted)
guitar speaker, pushed hard, possibly in an isolation booth or iso cab
multiple mics
mixer
eq and other fx (stage 3)
monitor speakers or headphones


Standard 3-stage amp rig with dummy load:

eq and other fx (stage 1)
preamp distortion (pedal or amp's built-in)
eq and other fx (stage 2)
tube power amp
dummy load (can use any power atten's dummy load)
eq and other fx (stage 3)
power amp (solid-state is fine here)
guitar speaker, pushed hard, possibly in an isolation booth or iso cab
multiple mics
mixer
eq and other fx (stage 4)
monitor speakers or headphones


>>Is there any way to simulate an effects loop for an amp which does not have
one?

Turn off the amp's built-in preamp distortion, and use a distortion pedal
instead:

[effects group 1]
distortion pedal
[effects group 2; equivalent to fx in amp's fx loop]
amp's input jack
amp's built-in preamp distortion not used
amp's tone stack
tube power amp
guitar speaker


This posting contains all the most important basics that the guitar gods know,
but that every beginning guitarist should be immediately taught on the first
day, with their first A-shaped power chord. Study it as the gospel of Tone
victory and entry into the kingdom of Tone heaven. Guitar-god Tone is also in
the crazy fingers which are inspired by pot and acid.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.amptone.com — toward any Tone at any volume
Group: egodeath Message: 2366 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: OT/Bio: Is an equalizer pedal really useful?
>>>>I have a bunch of pedals….chorus, flanger, delay, reverb, wah, volume,
distortion, compression, octaver…and they all sound good. I also have A/B
switch and PSM-5 which allow me to use all of those pedals if I wanted to. It
took me 3 years of shopping around, buying pedals here and there and reselling
those that were not satisfactory. From what I have read, an equalizer pedal
is a must. Is that true?


>>>A multi-band EQ is the only way to really nail that "tone in your head." I
went through just about all of the pedals you mentioned (except the octaver),
and after I finally got an EQ I dumped everything else (well, I still play
around with distortion pedals). The one warning is that it takes a lot of
tinkering with an EQ before you figure out how to use it for your setup. Also,
the effects of the EQ are extremely different pre- and post-distortion.


>>For years I played with only an Echoplex, and an Electro-Harmonics 10 Band
Graphic EQ through a BF Deluxe Reverb. It was the EQ that I used to boost the
Mids to slightly Overdrive the signal. I didn`t use any other effects.


An equalizer is an absolute essential part of a guitar amp rig. Literally buy
an EQ before buying a distortion pedal. I absolutely recommend as strongly as
possible that every electric guitarist run out and buy, after a tube amp, two
equalizers and a good power attenuator, and only after that, buy an od and
dist pedal.

This is the new standard I am defining for what the term "guitar amp" means:

eq pedal
amp's preamp distortion or an od/dist pedal
eq pedal 2
amp's tone stack
tube power amp
good power attenuator
guitar speaker

Every guitarist in the world should immediately drop everything, sell
everything they have, and run to spend the money on two equalizer pedals and a
good power attenuator. Keep your od and dist pedals, though, because each one
has unique voicing inside its gain stages. This is the shortest possible path
to Tone Heaven. Try it, and you will quickly prove to yourself that what I
say is the truth, and is no lie.

Beyond that, the next level of trick that ought to be no trick, but
universally known upon first touching an electric guitar, is the importance of
pushing a guitar speaker hard, into distortion. The standard way to do this
in the pro recording studio is by using a remote isolation booth with
multimiking.

You can easily do the same thing in a home studio environment by building or
buying an isolation booth or isolation cabinet, using this in conjunction with
multimiking. Put the fake-o sounding simulators and emulators in their
place — the crib or the garbage can — and enter the land of the guitar gods.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.amptone.com — toward any Tone at any volume
Group: egodeath Message: 2367 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Plotinus, Neoplatonism, and Hermeticism
Endymion wrote (paraphrased):
>>I need to write a paper about ancient Greek and Roman philosophy, focusing
on the influence of Plotinus and Neoplatonism on Hermeticism, the Renaissance,
the beginnings of modern science and thought, modern art, and literature.
What are the best resources to start with? There's a chapter in a study book
on history of philosophy about Pico della Mirandola, Ficino, Agrippa and
Paracelzus about the influence they have had on the development of modern
science. What on-line resources do you recommend?


I need to gather my postings into a resource Web page on this subject. The
magic ticket is "western esotericism".

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22western+esotericism%22


Book list: Western Esotericism
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/30HYPPVWEBD87

Book list: Hermeticism and ancient mystic astrology
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/1MCK4VKPPQ6N3


The search
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath/messagesearch?query=western%20esoterici
sm
returns valuable entry-points for research; for example:

Thread: Western Esotericism general info
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath/message/2134


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2368 From: Aaron Blohowiak Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Ego Diffusion
this is my first posting; i usually just read, but since i am a drummer and the guitar posts have no interest to me, i decided to bring the discussion back on topic.

As my friends grow older, many are turning to ego diffusion as an escape mechanism; seeking to lose themselves so they do not have to experience pain or loss. There were some posts about people wanting to live life in an elevated state from day to day and how that was a bastardization of (if i remember correctly — and i might not cause i got a cuncussion last night) sartoria (literally rebirth i think, but it is used to mean "enlightenment".) I am not a history buff beyond my personal history, but wasnt this what "the enlightenment" was about? and if so, wasnt the enlightenment a step in the wrong direction?

on a different note, isnt ego gratification just as important as ego diffusion? seeking both is not hipocritical but rather multilateral.

that's all for now.
aaron


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Group: egodeath Message: 2369 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Ego Diffusion
>>I am a drummer and the guitar posts have no interest to me


Guitar Amp Tone & Ego-Death Experience
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath/message/556

For drums, consider:
Neil Peart, Dionysian drummer of Rush
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Neil+Peart%22+drummer
James Arthur, who is Jon Bonham reincarnated and author of
http://www.jamesarthur.net and author of the book Mushrooms and Mankind.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22John+Bonham%22+drummer

Mushrooms and Mankind: The Impact of Mushrooms on Human Consciousness and
Religion
by James Arthur
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1585091510
2000. Current rank 58K (popular)

_________________

Aaron wrote (paraphrased):
>>As they grow older, many are turning to ego diffusion as an escape
mechanism; seeking to lose themselves so they do not have to experience pain
or loss. There were some posts about people wanting to live life in an
elevated state from day to day and how that was a bastardization of
satori/rebirth/enlightenment. Wasn't the practical improvement of life what
the Enlightenment era was about? If so, was the Enlightenment a step in the
wrong direction?


I'm still reading Nasr's book Knowledge and the Sacred to try to understand
why the Enlightenment lost sapiential knowledge. Probably due to a
reactionary extremist pendulum swing, overcompensation: "Religion can be
abused, therefore, away with all traces of religion and the transcendent." A
key clue may be that the earliest scientists were esoteric mystics; the
transition from a "Traditional" sapiential culture to flatland modernity with
its literalist non- mystic state religion did not happen in one move, but a
series of two moves; there was an interesting brief transition period that was
both sapiential and modern-scientific.

Early Ken Wilber would say that the Enlightenment was a step forward but
something was temporarily necessarily oversuppressed; but recent Ken Wilber
would emphasize something equivalent to: the sapiential and exterior
scientific-modern threads are distinct threads of development and there was no
good reason why increasing modern-scientific consciousness had to result in a
reduction of sapiential-experiential mystic gnosis.

My project of systematizing ego death and theoretically explaining ego death
in pre-modern mystic-religious systems is essentially a project of synthesis,
finally succeeding at the balance of combining enlightenment and the
Enlightenment.


>>Is ego gratification as important as ego diffusion? Seeking both is
multilateral, not hypocritical.


I suppose, but your usage of terms is unclear to me. It could be interesting
to conjecture that today's spirituality is mere degraded ego diffusion rather
than ego transcendence. I would have to guess how you are associating the
various ideas you mention. I can only guess what you have in mind by "ego
gratification".


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2370 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Arrgh! What the f

"It is suitable to the solemnity of Corpus Christi, <i>caro cibus, sanguis
potus</i>!

What's this utterly meaningless gibberish doing in this supposedly "English"
paper? Who the hell does Johnson think his audience is? This is *so*
annoying. Johnson couldn't write in a comprehensible manner to save his life!
I kept thinking of describing what I'm working on as "translation" and then I
"corrected" myself, thinking of course it's not a translation, because it is
in English — but if so, tell me why I am doing the same kind of cleanup,
meaning resolution, as when finishing the translation process on Eysinga's
articles?

The fact is, I *am* doing a translation, from the language of pinhead
cloistered 19th-Century British Christian scholarship writing, to plain
intelligible English. I'm doing a 109-year language and presentation update.
His book is damn near worthless as is — no one will read it, and those who
do, even radicals like me, are not capable of grasping it, as is: it is far
too stilted, specialized.

This book would need to be totally re-edited and rewritten, if a mainstream
popular publisher wanted to publish the ideas today, such as Freke & Gandy's
book The Jesus Mysteries, which is just about as opposite of Johnson's
presentation conventions as possible. Johson writes for an audience that
literally no longer exists; he writes in a dead language that no one can read
anymore.

It's a model of bad, ineffective communication; incomprehensible,
*roundabout*, *stilted*: "the book under discussion"… (he never commits to a
title, and just describes the book, several long paragraphs above, mixed with
other books…

He's *constantly* saying "this author" while he's just mentioned three of
them, or "it" or "these Letters", leaving me constantly in the dark: it's
insane and absurd that he expects me to read every one of his sentences, *in
order*, memorizing them with infinite patience… he writes as though his
audience has *infinite patience* and will follow him through three levels of
indirection — "this work", "these letters", "Letters" — what the hell is
*up* with *that*?

He *never* provides clues or tips of what he thinks he's talking about, some
secret idea he barely hints at five paragraphs above. What a mess! To make
sure no one can possibly follow him, he is always in this book using
*meaningless* date expressions, such as "late Tudor period" or "the beginning
of the reign of Henry VIII". What, does he mean to exclude everyone who is
not a PhD in Western history? Who does he imagine his audience is — himself?

I have half a mind to just say f it, go for broke, and freely rewrite all his
sentences: If *you* want to deal with his original garbled constructions, be
my guest. With Eysinga's articles, I started with barely intelligible, poorly
formatted material that you could read twice and still not comprehend; much
formatting and clarification was needed, replacing meaningless constructs that
are not used and completely fail to convey a clear idea.

I'm doing the exact same thing with this supposed "English"-language book of
Johnson's. He is completely *ineffective* at *communicating* his ideas;
that's one reason why his book was a failure and made almost no impression. A
set of good ideas communicated badly and ineptly is no better than bad ideas.

The audience, language, and culture Edwin Johnson writes to is long dead. The
fact is, I'm translating from a dead dialect of English to a more lastingly
popular and comprehensible dialect. Johnson particularly condemns himself to
obscurity by crazy parochialism, writing "our country" and "our mother
tongue" — what is this, a celebration of British Empire elitism? Give me one
reason I shouldn't strike those and write "England", "Great Britain", and
"English". Otherwise, I'm going to have to end up making so many
[square-bracketed clarifications] that the article will continue to read so
choppily, people still won't be able to comprehend it.

I'm going to title this as a "Translation" and then take free reign to repair
his communication disaster. "Translated from 19th-Century British scholarly
language to intelligible English by Michael Hoffman. Click here to see the
book in the original untranslated language."


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2371 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
James wrote:
>But doesn't Johnson assume, then, the earlier idea: he knows nothing
>of Koine, and imagines the monks writing the NT in their barbarous
>Greek. How could the monks have written the entire NT is a special
>dialect of Greek, unknown to them (or anyone) at the time, which has
>now been re-discovered, through thousands of everyday life type
>fragments? Only Lovecraft could imagine that!

>Also, weren't fragments of Gospels etc. found at Qumran and
>other "lost gospel" sites?


Just like the first two times I read this book, that is the main question:
what would Johnson say about the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi Library?


>>It's certainly valuable stuff for freeing up the conceptual imagination.
I'm booking my weekend for Antiqua Mater!


The gist of what Johnson is saying is correct, though some aspects are
distorted and have to be discarded. The task at hand is to discover and
identify what changes have to be made to the way we think about the "ancient"
Greco-Roman era and the scrolls that belong to it, and what changes we must
make to Johnson's "Pauline Epistles" book, in order to bring the two together.

What is so exciting about this book isn't so much that it is certain; but
rather, that it portrays just about the hugest paradigm shift possibly
imaginable, like compacting all the Philip K.Dick books into one. It
describes a paradigm shift of the first magitude. Surely the essence of this
paradigm can be retained, even while making adjustments.

Even if you discard half of this book's views, what is left amounts to a
mind-reeling transformation of our understanding of history, pseudo-history on
steroids, and how history is painted. One might think "resuscitated Jesus in
India" is staggering news, that "no Historical Jesus" is even more mature big
news, then that "no Paul and Apostles" is even bigger news; yet this proposal
that the "ancient Church fathers" and "Paul" are products of the monasteries
in 1500 is, in some way, even bigger or more encompassing news than all of
those.


Lately I waffle on whether or not to read any more about Christianity, whether
to read Christian mysticism, Church history, Gnostic Christianity, or
Theology. As usual, it's a matter of reading what's currently Right for me.
I thought I was finished reading about Gnosticism and the Dead Sea Scrolls and
the Nag Hammadi Library. However, due to the valuable mind-blowing paradigm
shift offered by many aspects of Johnson's Paulines book, and the great and
not-too-difficult puzzle of how to bridge his trip with the consensus trip by
making certain modifications of both, I decided to read Bart Ehrman's new
book, Lost Christianities: The Battle for Scripture and the Faiths We Never
Knew.

Unlike Johnson's book on the Paulines, Ehrman's book is written in the English
language. He doesn't strive to throw as many barriers to comprehension as
possible in your path. Ehrman is an award-winning teacher of real human
beings.

Book:
Lost Christianities: The Battle for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew
Bart Ehrman
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0195141830
September 2003

Lecture course:
Lost Christianities: Christian Scriptures and the Battles over Authentication
http://www.teach12.com/store/course.asp?id=6593

Lecture courses by Bart Ehrman:
http://www.teach12.com/store/professor.asp?id=150&d=Bart+D%2E+Ehrman


This book appears to give a wonderfully clear overview of the alternative
proto-Christian writings. This presents an enlightened perspective from
essentially the "liberal critical" received view. This review of the
discovered writings should be the ideal kind of worldview to be conjoined, by
modifying both, with Johnson's theory of the recency of the Paulines and
extreme radical revision of chronology.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2372 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Study Version of Edwin Johnson's "The Pauline Epistles – Re-Studied and
Explained", 1894
http://www.egodeath.com/edwinjohnsonpaulineepistles.htm
Reformatted copy for increased comprehensibility by Michael Hoffman Oct. 8,
2003. Proposes that the years 700-1400 didn't exist, and that Christianity,
the "early" Christian texts, Paul, the Gospels, the Church Fathers, the Dark
Ages, and the Middle Ages were literary inventions fabricated in competing
monasteries around 1500.


I reached a milestone. The section headings are improved and correctly
located.

Enhancements and fixes done:
o Added hierarchical table of contents with page numbers.
o Added inline section headings.
o Made the detailed TOC hierarchical, added page numbers/hyperlinks to each
entry.
o Removed original inline page numbers in square brackets.
o Changed endnotes to inline notes.
o Replaced common latin abbreviations.
o Fixed scanning errors.
o Added hyperlinks to references.
o Changed Roman numbers to Arabic.
o Added instructions to print with full page numbering.

To do:
o Resolve notes and questions in square brackets.
o Enter my highlighting and remaining corrections from hardcopy.


Added at top:


Why everyone should read this book

This 100-page book from 1894 shows that:
o The Paul figure was a literary invention from the 1500's
o The purportedly early Church Father writings were literary inventions of
the 1500's
o Eusebius' Church History was written in the 1500's.
o The Gospels were written in the 1500's.
o No Cathedrals are ancient; they are from the early part of the modern
period, such as 1400.

o We don't know how many centuries actually lie between the time of Augustus
Caesar and the modern era — the time of the Roman Empire is likely several
centuries closer. The Radical Critic Hermann Detering pointed out to Uwe
Topper that Johnson anticipates Illig, Topper, and the New Chronology. The
New Chronology holds that the Dark Ages — the years 600-900 — didn't exist;
for example, the year 911 is the year 614, relabelled, with later historians
projecting fantasy events into the phantom 300-year period that never existed,
as though I claimed there were 300 years between now and now, filled with all
sorts of literary inventions. Johnson goes even further, writing "It has been
said that Greek letters were silenced in Italy during about the period
"700-1400" of our chronology. The statement is really without meaning, for the
period is imaginary." Uwe Topper was amazed to discover the present book,
which made his own would-be radical New Chronology look like a mere leap-year
calendar adjustment.

o I survey many radical theories of Christian and religious origins, but this
book is the most extremely paradigm-shifting theory I've found. Most excited
books putting forth a new earth-shattering theory are really pretty narrow,
accepting the great bulk of the received liberal-critical paradigm, proposing
to shift just a couple of aspects.

o Prior to this book, Johnson wrote the more conventionally radical book
Antiqua Mater. The present book is a sequel that leaps even beyond the
excellent Antiqua Mater in terms of amount of deep paradigm shifting.

Many of Johnson's points are revolutionary, even if some might turn out to
need repositioning such as in light of the Nag Hammadi library and Dead Sea
scrolls. How would Johnson interpret these finds? What adjustments do we
make to the paradigms of Johnson and Erman to integrate Johnson's findings
with Bart Ehrman's 2003 book "Lost Christianities: The Battle for Scripture
and the Faiths We Never Knew"?


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2373 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: What is Edwin Johnson’s book Antiqua Mater about?
I can't get my hands around why Antiqua Mater is such a classic book of the
Radical school of scholarship about Christianity. What does the book say?

http://www.radikalkritik.de/antiqua_mater.htm
Group: egodeath Message: 2374 From: egodeath@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: File – EgodeathPostingRules.txt
This text file is automatically posted to the discussion group every two
weeks, in order to provide guidelines for writers, to keep the postings
on-topic and help writers know what subjects are considered most desirable
by this audience.

It is possible to write on most any topic and have it be relevant for this
Egodeath discussion group if you show how the posting is related to the
in-scope topics for this discussion group. This group is not formally
moderated, but it is consistently focused on the defined topics, including
peripheral topics if the writer explicitly connects them to the core topics.

Vague, unclear, hazy postings are off-topic and out of scope and are subject to moderation. Contributors must make the effort for rational, clear, explicit, intellectual, articulate, and comprehensible presentation of particular points.

— Michael Hoffman

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath — describes
in-scope discussion topics, as follows.

This discussion group covers the cybernetic theory of ego death and
ego transcendence, including:

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holographic universe, and predestination and Reformed theology.

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ontological idealism, contemporary metaphysics of the continuant
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and self-government.

o Zen satori, short-path enlightenment, and Alan Watts;
transpersonal psychology, Ken Wilber, and integral theory.

o Entheogens and psychedelic drugs, the Eleusinian mysteries and
cracking the allegorical code of the mystery religions, mythic
metaphor and allegorical encoding, the mystic altered state, mystic
and religious experiencing, visionary states, religious rapture, and
Acid Rock mysticism.

o Loss of control, self-control seizure, cognitive instability, and
psychosis and schizophrenia.
Group: egodeath Message: 2375 From: Khem Caigan Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
Michael Hoffman doth schriebble:
>
> Arrgh! What the f
>
> "It is suitable to the solemnity of Corpus Christi, <i>caro cibus, sanguis
> potus</i>!

It's called Good Dead Latin, old bean. A good many Secrets have been
Occulted within the Shadows of that Venerable old Rose Bush.

The sense of it is, "Flesh is food, blood is drink", and it's pretty
clear that the significance of Theophagy has not escaped you.

Not especially gifted at translating Rock lyrics, but my grasp of
alchemical and liturgical latin is fair.


Cors in Manu Domine,


~ Khem Caigan
<Khem@…>
Group: egodeath Message: 2376 From: jamesjomeara Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
I'm about half way through AM by now, though doing a lot of skimming,
as he makes that same points over and over.

The language is indeed incredible. I am reminded of when John Simon
was asked if English was his second language, and he paused and said
with a sneer, "No, it was my fourth or fifth." I suspect that
Johnson is one of those learned types who know too many languages,
and keep unconsciously replicating some other language's methods.

In fact, in some places it reads like it IS a secret translation,
like his own theories about the NT. "Impulsor"? Another line sounds
exactly like the speech of Agatha Christie's Belgian detective,
Hercule Poiret: "It is the murder most foul, must we not say,
Hastings?"

I'm inclined to doubt this "Johnson" really existed. Is this not a
translation of a French (or Dutch?) original? I've never heard of
this "New College, S. Hampstead" either. And where is this "M.A."
from? Shouldn't it be (Oxon.) or (Cantab.)? At the time a graduate
of Oxbridge could get an MA by waiting four years and paying a small
fee, so this "Johnson" might be just another old school boy.

Enormously learned dons were certainly capable of normal, indeed
gracious speech. Cf. Tolkien, or Lewis. For an example from his own
time, also dealing with textual research, look at A.E. Housman's
classical scholarship, some of the most elegant, and deadly critical,
and laugh out loud funny, writings ever. (Need I also mention he was
a poet as well?)

–James



— In egodeath@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hoffman" <mhoffman@e…>
wrote:
>
> Arrgh! What the f
>
> "It is suitable to the solemnity of Corpus Christi, <i>caro cibus,
sanguis
> potus</i>!
>
> What's this utterly meaningless gibberish doing in this
supposedly "English"
> paper? Who the hell does Johnson think his audience is? This is
*so*
> annoying. Johnson couldn't write in a comprehensible manner to
save his life!
> I kept thinking of describing what I'm working on as "translation"
and then I
> "corrected" myself, thinking of course it's not a translation,
because it is
> in English — but if so, tell me why I am doing the same kind of
cleanup,
> meaning resolution, as when finishing the translation process on
Eysinga's
> articles?
>
> The fact is, I *am* doing a translation, from the language of
pinhead
> cloistered 19th-Century British Christian scholarship writing, to
plain
> intelligible English. I'm doing a 109-year language and
presentation update.
> His book is damn near worthless as is — no one will read it, and
those who
> do, even radicals like me, are not capable of grasping it, as is:
it is far
> too stilted, specialized.
>
> This book would need to be totally re-edited and rewritten, if a
mainstream
> popular publisher wanted to publish the ideas today, such as Freke
& Gandy's
> book The Jesus Mysteries, which is just about as opposite of
Johnson's
> presentation conventions as possible. Johson writes for an
audience that
> literally no longer exists; he writes in a dead language that no
one can read
> anymore.
>
> It's a model of bad, ineffective communication; incomprehensible,
> *roundabout*, *stilted*: "the book under discussion"… (he never
commits to a
> title, and just describes the book, several long paragraphs above,
mixed with
> other books…
>
> He's *constantly* saying "this author" while he's just mentioned
three of
> them, or "it" or "these Letters", leaving me constantly in the
dark: it's
> insane and absurd that he expects me to read every one of his
sentences, *in
> order*, memorizing them with infinite patience… he writes as
though his
> audience has *infinite patience* and will follow him through three
levels of
> indirection — "this work", "these letters", "Letters" — what the
hell is
> *up* with *that*?
>
> He *never* provides clues or tips of what he thinks he's talking
about, some
> secret idea he barely hints at five paragraphs above. What a
mess! To make
> sure no one can possibly follow him, he is always in this book using
> *meaningless* date expressions, such as "late Tudor period" or "the
beginning
> of the reign of Henry VIII". What, does he mean to exclude
everyone who is
> not a PhD in Western history? Who does he imagine his audience is –
– himself?
>
> I have half a mind to just say f it, go for broke, and freely
rewrite all his
> sentences: If *you* want to deal with his original garbled
constructions, be
> my guest. With Eysinga's articles, I started with barely
intelligible, poorly
> formatted material that you could read twice and still not
comprehend; much
> formatting and clarification was needed, replacing meaningless
constructs that
> are not used and completely fail to convey a clear idea.
>
> I'm doing the exact same thing with this supposed "English"-
language book of
> Johnson's. He is completely *ineffective* at *communicating* his
ideas;
> that's one reason why his book was a failure and made almost no
impression. A
> set of good ideas communicated badly and ineptly is no better than
bad ideas.
>
> The audience, language, and culture Edwin Johnson writes to is long
dead. The
> fact is, I'm translating from a dead dialect of English to a more
lastingly
> popular and comprehensible dialect. Johnson particularly condemns
himself to
> obscurity by crazy parochialism, writing "our country" and "our
mother
> tongue" — what is this, a celebration of British Empire elitism?
Give me one
> reason I shouldn't strike those and write "England", "Great
Britain", and
> "English". Otherwise, I'm going to have to end up making so many
> [square-bracketed clarifications] that the article will continue to
read so
> choppily, people still won't be able to comprehend it.
>
> I'm going to title this as a "Translation" and then take free reign
to repair
> his communication disaster. "Translated from 19th-Century British
scholarly
> language to intelligible English by Michael Hoffman. Click here to
see the
> book in the original untranslated language."
>
>
> — Michael Hoffman
> http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and
rebirth
> experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2377 From: jamesjomeara Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Edwin Johnson’s Pauline Epistles book reformatted, study guide
— In egodeath@yahoogroups.com, "jamesjomeara" <jamesjomeara@y…>
wrote:
I've never heard of
> this "New College, S. Hampstead" either. >


Should have done this before. Google reveals that there is a New
College Hampstead, presumably in London, giving out classical and
theological degrees around that time. But the only cite to New
College, S. Hampstead is…the online version of Edwin Johnson.

Why would someone's college be misidentified on the TITLE PAGE of a
book? ("Noam Chomsky, Professor of Linguistics at Massachusetts
Institution of Techology"?) Misprint? Error by the forger of French
or Dutch background? Or just something to through us off the track?
An example of the Masonic principle of "revelation of the method?

Well, back to reading Johnson. You see how it can affect the mind!

–James
Group: egodeath Message: 2378 From: merker2002 Date: 14/10/2003
Subject: Re: Stylistic expansion of postings, biographical information
If it weren't for the last paragraph i really wouldn't have noticed it
was a FAKE.

Now , i remember a posting stating that you (mr. hofmann) think you
require another ten years before publishing a book.

Was that a fake posting or for real?
The jury still out on that one…

It seems some people take a liking in faking postings in this group.
I have to admit that this one was quite well executed – though the last
bit was a bit too much.
Otherwise a good laugh when you're high on mj 😉

merker
Group: egodeath Message: 2379 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/10/2003
Subject: Publishing egodeath book after done with basic insights
>>a posting stating that you require another ten years before publishing a
book. Was that a fake posting?


A ten-year timeframe is somewhat plausible, based on the continued rate of
maturing or development of rather basic ideas. I so disparage all the
well-polished but really half-baked books that are constantly published and
then go out of print. Most of them grab onto a little corner of the matter
and proclaim a revolution, when really, it's pretty status-quo.

They breathlessly announce some new little breakthrough without mentioning all
the others — I'm trying to survey the entire landscape of alternative
scenarios and integrate them; my criticism is the same type as the Radical
Critics' disparagement of liberal Christian scholarship.

Per Ken Wilber, everybody is largely right; the task is to figure out how to
adjust everyone, the various "revolutionary breakthroughs" and "new paradigms"
to bring their rightness together in a way that flies elegantly. My postings
are the equivalent of touring and woodshedding (intent practice) for a Rock
band; I'm working on my chops.

I'm constantly refining my views; today I'm trying to figure out how to be
more committed and emphatic about the entheogen basis and wellspring of
religion, and more strongly refute and reject the novel trendy notion that
spirituality is not about peak mystic state, but is about the enhancement of
day-to-day ongoing life. Every statement has a *grain* of truth, and that's
all there is to that conception of spirituality — merely a *grain* of truth,
just as there is a *grain* of truth to the proposal that meditation and
contemplation are effective paths to enlightenment.

Now with the findings of Peter Kirby and Edwin Johnson and Acharya S that
there was no historical Paul, that the Paul figure was later than the Church
Fathers, that directly leads to a huge paradigm shift of the story of
Christian history and the nature and origin of Christianity. I'm glad I never
published anything on paper under the delusion of the false history told in
the Christian history handbooks.

I'm looking to greatly increase my commitment to:
o A kind of determinism
o Getting more serious about myth as being really nothing other than
description of intense mystic state phenomena
o Standing behind the entheogen theory of religion — that entheogens
certainly are, and meditation certainly is not, the perennial wellspring of
religious experience and religion-philosophy.
o The rational comprehensibility and explainability of ego death and rebirth
and mystic insight.
o The mythic-only nature of Christianity.

Increasing my commitment to these axiomatic views amounts to refining and
strengthening my language and conceptual vocabulary on these topics.

I have had to routinize breakthroughs, not halting to write a book at each
milestone.
o New Chronology is a breakthrough — but I'm already past that.
o No historical Paul is a breakthrough — of long ago.
o Jesus was merely resuscitated, per Greek adventure novels: that's a
well-supported reading of the gospels — that breakthrough is long past.
o Comprehending and accepting block-universe determinism produces the classic
experience of transferring moral reward and punishment to God as controller of
all the world and of one's own thoughts.
o Today's theories of myth make the ordinary-state fallacy; myth is
definitely concerned with the mystic-state phenomena and *not* really with
daily-life challenges or ordinary-state dreaming.
o Apophatic theology does make sense; can connect with my core theory. Same
with religious mythic language of "true freedom" and "transcending
determinism".
o Scholars of Western esotericism claim that there is the same perennial core
in high magic, high astrology, and high alchemy — and I've had immediate
success to my satisfaction, in connecting that perennial core to my own core
theory.
o The entire allegory idea-set about Jesus as apocalyptic prophet is
comprehensible the moment one recognizes it as metaphorical description of the
phenomena and insights of the intense mystic altered state.
o The entire allegory idea-set about myth and religion, including Jewish and
Christian myth-religion, and Buddhist, is comprehensible the moment one
recognizes it as metaphorical description of the phenomena and insights of the
intense mystic altered state, centrally including block-universe determinism
as experiential insight, and description of the experience of release from
cosmic determinism. Any aspects that don't fit this view can be dismissed as
distortion and literalism.


Ever since grasping the core theory in January 1988, to a large extent my
experience since then has been a long series of seemingly challenging puzzles,
giving way quickly to this core theory, which is like a key that fits every
lock. I keep coming up against apparent fields or views that are puzzling,
but then this core theory turns out once again to be the key at the heart of
that puzzle too.

I used to deeply fear running out of such puzzles to solve, because I
constitutionally thrive on succeeding at solving them; it's how I measure the
days of my life. But now I am prepared to run out of puzzles to solve,
instead working on more routine scholarship to flesh out the paradigm,
approach, and interpretive framework I have defined.

I count maybe 15 such breakthroughs. It's not that I'm greedy for ever more
breakthroughs, but rather, that there is so much darkness, reaching toward the
light just seems to go on upward mile after mile. I live to make breakthrough
insights, almost literally. I have a certain addiction to intellectual
insight breakthrough.

I can't imagine publishing a book lacking any of these 15 most major insights
or findings — it would have to be so half-baked without them, and the world
is too full of such half-baked books — I condemn them, and so condemn my own
works that would've been, had I published a year or three, or six months ago.
I can never buy a computer, because each one is obsolete by the time I set it
up.

I can never write a book, because at the rate I've historically progressed in
further research, by the time the book is one the shelf, I'd dismiss it as
half-baked, lacking essential key aspects that I found in the interim. I wish
to publish the last real word on the subject, on my first try, and not look
back shaking my head about its so-limited awareness. This attitude has
prevented me from publishing *but* it has proven fully effective at what I
love, what motivates me, a constant series of insight experiences and
development of this area of ideas.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2380 From: shaunbefort78 Date: 16/10/2003
Subject: (no subject)
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a debt of gratitude, Libertarians say

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has exposed every drug warrior in America as a rank hypocrite.

"One thing we don't hear from American politicians very often is
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Group: egodeath Message: 2381 From: jamesjomeara Date: 17/10/2003
Subject: Support for Johnson Paradigm from Middle Eastern archeology
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1111/1822_304/83553507/print.jhtml

First para:

Harper's Magazine
March, 2002

False testament: archaeology refutes the Bible's claim to history.
(Criticism).

Author/s: Daniel Lazare

Not long ago, archaeologists could agree that the Old Testament, for
all its embellishments and contradictions, contained a kernel of
truth. Obviously, Moses had not parted the Red Sea or turned his
staff into a snake, but it seemed clear that the Israelites had
started out as a nomadic band somewhere in the vicinity of ancient
Mesopotamia; that they had migrated first to Palestine and then to
Egypt; and that, following some sort of conflict with the
authorities, they had fled into the desert under the leadership of a
mysterious figure who was either a lapsed Jew or, as Freud
maintained, a high-born priest of the royal sun god Aton whose cult
had been overthrown in a palace coup. Although much was unknown,
archaeologists were confident that they had succeeded in nailing
down at least these few basic facts.

That is no longer the case. In the last quarter century or so,
archaeologists have seen one settled assumption after another
concerning who the ancient Israelites were and where they came from
proved false. Rather than a band of invaders who fought their way
into the Holy Land, the Israelites are now thought to have been
an 'indigenous culture that developed west of the Jordan River
around 1200 B.C. Abraham, Isaac, and the other patriarchs appear to
have been spliced together out of various pieces of local lore. The
Davidic Empire, which archaeologists once thought as
incontrovertible as the Roman, is now seen as an invention of
Jerusalem-based priests in the seventh and eighth centuries B.C. who
were eager to burnish their national history. The religion we call
Judaism does not reach well back into the second millennium B.C. but
appears to be, at most, a product of the mid-first……

[Later:]

In hindsight, it all seems so obvious. An ancient text purporting to
be a record of events centuries earlier–how could it not fall short
of modern historical standards? How could it not reflect
contemporary events more than events in the distant past?

[But whose "contempary events"? 1500, perhaps?
Group: egodeath Message: 2382 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/10/2003
Subject: Gnostic gift-salvation portrayed as opposed to Jewish works-salvati
Star wrote (paraphrased):
>Thanks for the link about the Gnostics — that was interesting. I guess I
should give my feelings about the Dead Sea scrolls and the Gnostics. There is
a reason that the canon of the bible was closed and those books weren't
admitted. They all had convincing work. The counsel wanted to make sure that
the books that was added was from the disciples. Paul admonished the churches
that there were those trying to preach another Gospel.

>The Book of Thomas, there is something "off" about it: it is more about
elevating yourself to a point of enlightenment and not a relationship with
Christ and obeying the two commandments he left us. Points the gnostics
believed:
>o That Yesua is God.
>o Yeshua gave the laws for man to follow and the consquence if they broke
the laws: death.
>o Adam was perfect when he was born and if he would have behaved would have
gained eternal life he would not have seen death. But since the let Satan
bequile them they disobyed. So they brought sin and death into the world. So
they die daily; that is, they aged.

>Yeshua and the father are One. He kept us from having to pay the death
penalty. After his resurection, he sent his spirit to dwell in us, so that the
same spirit that raised Jesus Christ from the dead also lives in me, and I
will inherit eternal life. My salvation is a gift; I didn't do anything to
earn it. My righteousness is that of Yeshua. By his stripes I am healed. The
life is in the blood.


Per Ehrman's book Lost Christianities, consider the spectrum of 3 views:
o Jewish/Ebionite Christians (must follow Jewish dietary laws; circumcision
is required, to be among God's chosen)
o Catholic synthesis compromise
o Marcionite heresy (rejecting Jewish god and Jewish scripture, even
near-demonizing them)

Lost Christianities: The Battle for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew
Bart Ehrman
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0195141830
Sep. 2003
Rank 1K (very popular)


The "father" you gnostically revere — was he the creator of the world/cosmos?
Is the "father" you revere the god of the Jews as the chosen people? If we
are saved through a gift we didn't earn through works, then are the Jewish
scriptures ("Old Testament") works-oriented and therefore the opposite of the
method of salvation you revere; set in contrast to your gnostic salvation?


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2383 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/10/2003
Subject: “Ancient” writings, writers, and conflicts are actually Reformation
Edwin Johnson's book "Pauline Epistles" (
http://www.egodeath.com/edwinjohnsonpaulineepistles.htm ) proposes that all of
this theological debate and all of the religious writings about it was
invented in the 1500s, with the entire debate falsely back-projected to over a
thousand years earlier. The supposedly ancient controversies around 200 CE is
actually entirely Reformation-era controversies and Jewish-Catholic-Heretic
relations, where heresy includes various Protestant-esoteric combinations.

Johnson's theory implies that we ought to be studying
Jewish-Catholic-Protestant-Gnostic/esoteric conflicts of 1-450 CE *alongside*
studying those same conflicts in the late medieval-early Reformation era — an
immensely insightful approach, it seems to me. So much resonates between the
two eras, if you inquire into and become familiar with:
o The Jews of the ancient and late Middle Ages eras
o The Catholics of the ancient and late Middle Ages eras
o The Protestants and Jansenists of the ancient and late Middle Ages eras
o The Gnostics, dualist heretics, and esotericists of the ancient and late
Middle Ages eras


— Michael Hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 2384 From: Khem Caigan Date: 18/10/2003
Subject: Review: Karen L. King’s _What is Gnosticism?_
(From BMCR 2003.07.26)

Karen L. King, What is Gnosticism?.
Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 2003.
Pp. 343. ISBN 0-674-01071-X. $29.95.

Reviewed by Nicola Denzey, Bowdoin College (ndenzey@…)
Word count: 2496 words
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An unprepared reader might pick up What is Gnosticism? expecting either
a primer or a definitive study of Gnosticism's nature and origins. But
this book, written by one of the country's leading scholars of early
Christianity, should not be mistaken for an introductory textbook.
First of all, it never addresses what Gnosticism is. In a rather
subversive move — given the book's title — King asserts that
"Gnosticism" exists solely as a modern reification, a terminological
construct deriving ultimately from an early Christian discourse of
orthodoxy and heresy which has now taken on an independent existence.
"My purpose in this book," King explains, "is to show how
twentieth-century scholarship on Gnosticism has simultaneously
reinscribed, elaborated, and deviated from this discourse" (54). The
book assumes that readers will have at least a passing familiarity with
the sources which have conventionally been called "Gnostic," as well as
with contemporary terms of debate and prominent figures. This "ideal
audience" of the learned and open-minded has much to gain from reading
King's book. Casual readers, however, would likely find King's thesis
— like the book itself — too sophisticated and too
historiographically esoteric to sustain their interest.

Karen King taught at Occidental College in Los Angeles before moving to
her current position as Professor of the History of Ancient
Christianity at the Harvard University Divinity School. A highly
respected scholar of Gnosticism, King's work has often focused on
issues of gender. What is Gnosticism? is her second book to appear in
2003, taking its place next to her new translation of the Gospel of
Mary (Santa Rosa, CA: Polebridge, 2003). Here, King identifies her
primary research interests as "early Christian identity formation and
the critique of current scholarly categories of analysis" (vii-viii).
This book has been at least twenty years in the making; we have had
tastes of her critical acumen in a series of articles on the topic of
Gnosticism and identity formation which she has presented to a variety
of scholarly audiences since 1993.

Why is a book like King's timely? The past fifty years have witnessed a
series of dramatic paradigm shifts in the Academy that have called for
the revision and re-articulation of our discipline. The first of these
historiographical and hermeneutical shifts which King chronicles is the
rise of the Religionsgeschichtliche Schule as distinct from Theology
with its interested, invested focus, its fixed canon, and its implicit
Christian supersessionism. The second shift was initiated by the
discovery of a cache of hitherto unknown ancient Christian texts in
1945 at Nag Hammadi, Egypt. Because scholars prior to 1945 had only a
very limited number of primary sources which early members of the
Christian mainstream had termed "Gnostic," the Nag Hammadi treatises
have had a profound impact on our understanding of early Christianity
as richly diverse in doctrine and praxis. The third and most recent
shift has been the re-evaluation of the History of Religions School by
postcolonialist and postmodern scholarship, which drew into question
its implicit Orientalism and colonialist orientation. For these three
reasons, the work of generations of Gnosticism scholars — built upon a
limited number of primary sources and the polemical writings of a few
early Christian heresiologists — needed to be reassessed. More often
than not, this examination has called for substantial revision.

The scope of King's book is ambitious, but necessarily so. She
recognizes that it is impossible to take on the conceptual and
definitional problem of Gnosticism without tackling the conceptual and
definitional problem of "heresy," which then draws into question
Christianity's discourse of orthodoxy. She notes, "…a discussion of
the discourse of orthodoxy and heresy needs to include polemics aimed
at pagans and Jews as well" (21). King then dedicates the book's eight
chapters to evaluating and critiquing "the discourse of orthodoxy and
heresy" in ancient sources, in the work of early twentieth-century
scholars, and in more contemporary scholarship. The book addresses the
process of early Christian identity formation as a whole, with results
both cogent and incisive. It is refreshing to read an approach that
neither marginalizes Judaism or paganism, nor places Christianity in
high relief against otherwise "insufficient" religious options in the
ancient world.

In her first chapter, "Why Is Gnosticism So Hard to Define?" King
outlines two overarching scholarly approaches to Gnosticism, one
genealogical and one typological. The first approach locates the
origins and developments of Gnosticism over time by looking to and
comparing Gnosticism with so-called Oriental religions on the one hand
and "Christianity" (i.e. "orthodoxy") on the other. The second approach
draws upon phenomenological analyses of primarily literary material to
develop a set of coherent and definitive terms, characteristics, and
tendencies. Both approaches, King warns us, went considerably astray;
most significantly, the discovery of the Nag Hammadi texts rendered
genealogical and typological analyses of Gnosticism largely moot.
Central, too, has been the problem of Gnosticism's infelicitous
relationship with Christianity as a whole. King observes, "the problem
of defining Gnosticism has been and continues to be primarily an aspect
of the ongoing project of defining and maintaining a normative
Christianity" (18). In the final words of the chapter, King clarifies
the task that lies ahead for the remainder of the volume:


My purpose … is to consider the ways in which the early Christian
polemicists' discourse of orthodoxy and heresy has been intertwined
with twentieth-century scholarship on Gnosticism in order to show where
and how that involvement has distorted our analysis of the ancient
texts. At stake is not only the capacity to write a more accurate
history of ancient Christianity in all its multiformity, but also our
capacity to engage critically the ancient politics of religious
difference rather than unwittingly reproduce its strategies and results
(19).


Accordingly, Chapter Two, "Gnosticism as Heresy," focuses on the
"rhetorical consolidation" of the broad variety of religious options
available to individuals in the ancient world into three recognizable,
mutually exclusive, and easily definable groups: Jews, Christians, and
pagans (22). What was at stake, King observes, was the discourse of
difference and sameness that was crucial to Christian
identity-building. In order to exclude those Christians whom members of
a nascent orthodoxy opposed, members of this group had to make their
competitors look like outsiders; certain doctrinal or practical
differences needed to be fabricated, just as real differences needed to
be exaggerated. As part of the same strategy of distinction,
similarities — whether between Christians and Jews, Christians and
pagans, or different Christian teachers — were either suppressed or
maliciously miscast. So successful were certain Christians in this
endeavor, King notes, that even now the terms "heresy" and "orthodoxy"
imply only difference, not similarity (23). These two terms are best
understood as the consequence of an evaluative process that aimed to
"articulate the meaning of self while simultaneously silencing and
excluding others within the group" (24). King invokes the examples of
Tertullian's Prescription against Heretics, and Irenaeus' Against the
Heresies, in a set of rhetorical attitudes she categorizes as
"antisyncretism." This discourse functioned to define and defend
boundaries (34) and to contribute to the "master narrative" of
Christian decline from a time of pure origins to the doctrinal
divisiveness of the second century and beyond.

Chapters three and four are explicitly historiographical, as King works
through foundational figures and movements of early twentieth-century
scholarship on religion. Chapter Three investigates Adolf von Harnack,
Chapter Four, the early History of Religions school. Here, modern
readers owe perhaps the greatest debt to King, who provides intelligent
and useful summaries and analyses of works which are infamously
impenetrable and more often than not, only available in their original
German. This extended examination of early twentieth-century
historiography is central for King to prove her thesis: that modern
scholarship has only served to reinscribe a discourse of orthodoxy and
heresy established by certain Christians of the second and third
centuries. King points out that as a theologian and scholar, for
instance, Harnack was perfectly aware of the manifold forms of ancient
Christianity, yet like his orthodox predecessors Irenaeus and
Tertullian, he employed the term "Gnosticism" as a rhetorical tool to
produce a normative vision of Christianity (68).

Chapter five, "Gnosticism Reconsidered," is devoted to a discussion of
Walter Bauer –particularly his landmark study Orthodoxy and Heresy in
Earliest Christianity — and to Hans Jonas' Gnosis und Spa+tantike
Geist. King paints Bauer as an innovator, the first to develop an
alternative model of Christian historiography away from the master
narrative of Christian supersessionism. Jonas, rather differently, was
important for his typological reduction of Gnosticism to a series of
qualities or characteristics. His work on the "Gnostic experience of
self and world" (117) defined Gnosticism as a transhistorical religious
movement characterized primarily by the experience of existential
alienation and world-abnegation. Thus Jonas proposed seven qualities of
Gnosticism: gnosis, dynamic character (pathomorphic crisis),
mythological character, dualism, impiety, artificiality, and unique
historical locus (120). King discusses each one of these in turn,
pointing out their difficulties and shortcomings. The chapter ends with
a discussion of the German History of Religions scholar Carsten Colpe.
It is not clear what ties these three figures together, however;
overall, the chapter division here — as elsewhere in the book — seems
more arbitrary than seamlessly sewn together into one master narrative.

The last three chapters of the book discuss Gnosticism scholarship
following the discovery of the Nag Hammadi texts. Here, King spends
some time discussing the various sources themselves, particularly the
manner in which they defy the tidy systems of classification and
categorization established by earlier generations of scholars. Indeed,
King is quick to point out that even post-Nag Hammadi typologies of
Gnosticism such as "Sethianism" and "Valentinianism" strain to maintain
coherence when applied to the tremendous doctrinal diversity we find
reflected in Nag Hammadi's forty-six texts. As King notes, "the problem
with variety is not variety itself; the problem is trying to force
multiform, irregularly shaped objects into square essentialist
definitional holes" (168). These chapters are particularly enjoyable
because they move away from historiography to the ancient sources
themselves; however, it is difficult to assess how a reader not
well-versed in the Nag Hammadi texts would follow King's summaries and
arguments.

Readers will inevitably compare What is Gnosticism? to Michael
Williams' Rethinking "Gnosticism": Arguments for Dismantling a Dubious
Category (1996). Williams' provocative work — which quickly became
obligatory reading for all serious students of ancient Gnosticism —
calls for the abandonment of the term "Gnosticism" altogether, stating
that it is best not to imagine that anything like "Gnosticism" or "the
Gnostic religion" ever existed. Instead, Williams suggests that we
remain cognizant of the many diverse groups and individuals that
originally comprised Christianity before they were marginalized and
de-legitimated by an emergent orthodoxy. It is obvious that Rethinking
"Gnosticism" and What is Gnosticism? were written contemporaneously and
that King and Williams were deeply engaged in dialogue with one
another. They each carefully and graciously acknowledge one another in
their forewords; it is clear that their connections have fostered
genuine respect and mutual fondness rather than competition. Still,
since Rethinking "Gnosticism" was first to appear, the problem for King
is whether or not What is Gnosticism? sufficiently advances the
approach both scholars bring to the fore, and whether or not she
successfully treats the same topic in a way that complements, rather
than competes with, Williams' book.

As a partial answer to this issue, it is important to note that for all
their topical similarity and virtually identical theses, What is
Gnosticism? and Rethinking "Gnosticism" are very different books,
because the two authors work very differently. Williams applies
previously established typological categories of "Gnosticism" to
ancient materials, thus highlighting their insufficiencies for
understanding ancient materials on their own terms. King carefully
builds a sort of historiographic genealogy and keeps her focus
consistently on the last century's scholarship, telling the story of
how the reification of "Gnosticism" came to be from within the broader
social and intellectual matrix of twentieth-century interests and
movements. The books differ, too, in their suggestions for future work.
In place of "Gnosticism," Williams suggests we adopt when appropriate
the more specific term "biblical demiurgical" (Williams, 265). But King
rightly points out the problems with this term: it is cumbersome, and
it persists in the same process of naming and categorizing she proposes
we abandon altogether (168, 214-16). Still, she spends more time
critiquing scholars and scholarship than she does solving the essential
problem to which the book is devoted. Is there a future for studying
Gnosticism without "Gnosticism"? She herself raises the question in her
eighth and final chapter, but ends it reflexively: "It is important not
so much to eliminate the term per se, but to recognize and correct the
ways in which reinscribing the discourses of orthodoxy and heresy
distort our reading and reconstruction of ancient religion" (218).

Ultimately, the reader of What is Gnosticism? is left questioning why
King doggedly pursues Gnosticism' s historiographical genealogy. What
precisely is at stake? And how well does she convey this? King states
at the outset that she will reexamine how twentieth-century scholarship
of Gnosticism has reinscribed a second-century discourse, but most of
her detailed examples (Harnack, Jonas, Bousset, Reitzenstein, Bauer)
harken from the first half of the century. The sole contemporary
scholar of Gnosticism to receive a detailed discussion is Michael
Williams, leaving readers with the impression that no one else is doing
the sort of work King advocates. Because she withholds from the reader
what the "state of the debate" truly is, she leaves the impression that
hers is the sole clarion call for a new hermeneutic. This is
misleading, because King's work not so much presents new material as it
presents for a broader audience the methodological approach already
well entrenched in the academy, certainly among specialists of Nag
Hammadi and early Christianity. Perhaps, though, King would argue that
there are only a few scholars who take this approach for granted, and
this book is clearly not written for them.

While this book tears down the scaffolding upon which many earlier
studies of Gnosticism have been built, King stops short of offering a
concrete new direction, though her final chapter and "Note on
Methodology" seems to suggest that such a direction lies in adopting
postmodern and postcolonial reading strategies. It would have been
enlightening and stimulating to see examples of what such a new
hermeneutic, applied to the Nag Hammadi writings either individually or
as a corpus, might yield; there are indeed recent articles and
monographs out there from which to draw, but these are neglected.
Because she does not address the work of modern scholars of early
Christianity who likewise adhere to the New Historicism, King
effectively flattens the background, placing her own methodological
convictions in stark relief against a century's worth of essentially
flawed scholarship. Still, as the only full-length study of the
scholarship of Gnosticism that exists, there is surely a place for
King's volume. Readers can follow the thread of a story ably told about
a relatively new academic discipline now facing the challenge of
modernity.

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Group: egodeath Message: 2385 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/10/2003
Subject: Morton Smith in Lost Xys – “Those Who Know” = It’s all forgery?
Ehman's book Lost Christianities covers Morton Smith's suspected forgery of
Secret longer gospel of Mark. Smith's book pair was partly dedicated
mysteriously to Those Who Know. The most perfect explanation/expansion that
immediately leaps to my mind is, Those Who Know that it's *all* forgery — the
gospels, letters, Church Father writings, everything. Smith, if gay, had a
good, sensible motive to insert the somewhat homoerotic-mystic "man with man
all night" passage, which does admittedly fit like a reconstruction of what
could have been there in some version of Mark.

Lost Christianities is pretty good although more conservative than it should
be, skewing all ideas of Jesus and the Apostles toward the literalist mode of
reading even while he supposedly discusses allegorism; one man's "allegorism"
is another man's "literalism". So much is still taken for granted, so many
parts of Eusebius' world, even while putting forth a certain feeble
"skepticism" about the received history.

The book seems to have nothing about intense mystic state experiencing or the
gnostic sacrament of apolytrosis (redemption); the *experiential* aspect of
gnosis is completely overlooked — or suppressed. Ehrman glaringly refuses
and fails to engage with Freke & Gandy: can he be so poorly read and ignorant
as to be unaware of the no-Jesus theory, which any scholar of "lost
Christianities" ought to be highly interested in? This book industry and
profession is such a scam, such posturing, so political, they only discuss
"safe" heresy aspects like docetism.

Ehrman in his supposed coverage of the "wide varieties" of Christianity
perpetuates the strict orthodox boundaries on what ideas may be seriously
engaged and even acknowledged in passing — the result is more fake
scholarship, claiming to acknowledge and cover more than it does. As a
result, the book is positioned to sell more copies among certain audiences, by
sacrificing an honest engagement with the full appropriate scope of the
subject.

This type of scholarship, the ubiquitous mainstream technique which I may call
"liberal conservative", is a technique of whitewashing and heading off
alternative views by claiming to cover them, but instead covering them over.


— Michael Hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 2386 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/10/2003
Subject: Re: Morton Smith in Lost Xys – “Those Who Know” = It’s all forgery?
Lost Christianities is available as book, audio lecture course, and video
lecture course.

Lecture course:
Lost Christianities: Christian Scriptures and the Battles over Authentication
Bart Ehrman
http://www.teach12.com/ttc/assets/coursedescriptions/6593.asp
"Professor Bart D. Ehrman returns to The Teaching Company with a scholarly
look at the origins of the New Testament and Christian doctrines. Follow
experts' efforts to recover knowledge of early Christian groups who lost the
struggle for converts, and explore the early writings they embraced. This is a
richly rewarding learning opportunity for anyone interested in religion,
history, or a good mystery story."

Book:
Lost Christianities: The Battle for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew
Bart Ehrman
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0195141830
Sep. 2003
Rank 1K (very popular)


— Michael Hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 2387 From: jamesjomeara Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Re: Morton Smith in Lost Xys – “Those Who Know” = It’s all forgery?
— In egodeath@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hoffman" <mhoffman@e…>
wrote:
>
> Ehman's book Lost Christianities covers Morton Smith's suspected
forgery of
> Secret longer gospel of Mark. Smith's book pair was partly
dedicated
> mysteriously to Those Who Know. The most perfect
explanation/expansion that
> immediately leaps to my mind is, Those Who Know that it's *all*
forgery — the
> gospels, letters, Church Father writings, everything. Smith, if
gay, had a
> good, sensible motive to insert the somewhat homoerotic-mystic "man
with man
> all night" passage, which does admittedly fit like a reconstruction
of what
> could have been there in some version of Mark.

Morton Smith a gay forger? Holy Cow, maybe I should read this LC
book, which is too expensive for my current budget. (Where are the
review copies?)

Here is a website devoted to the topic:

http://www1.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Secret/secmark_home.html

I am most interested in the statement there that the controversy was
fueled by one "Jack Neusner" who I assume is that over-productive
Jacob Neusner of Brown. I have a small interest in this since at one
time I was quite interested in the guru then-known as Da Free John.
(see my article in FringeWare Review). His Dawn Horse Press
published a series of paperback reprints of odd mystical works,
(Saint Seraphim, that Spanish conquerer guy who went native that
Henry Miller liked, etc.) with Daist intros to explain why The Master
thought we should read this. One of these was of The Secret Gospel,
with a new introduction by… Jacob Neusner! Jake was happy to have
this stick to beat the goyim with (See! Your Jeshua was fag! And a
magician!), and Da was happy to show that Christianity was a Crazy
Wisdom school, making people run around naked just like he did. I
note that the website also reprints Shawn Ayer's article from
Alexandria, which brings me in at another level, having by that time
become an contributor to that fine journal (I think to that very
issue).

I wonder what led Jake to think he needed to change sides? Surely
the whole issue is well out of his specialty (The Talmud, which Edwin
Johnson shows is a fraud anyway).
Group: egodeath Message: 2388 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Re: Morton Smith in Lost Xys – “Those Who Know” = It’s all forgery?
>Morton Smith a gay forger? Holy Cow, maybe I should read this book.


Read the chapter in any bookstore.


"World scholarship later came to accept the letter as genuine Clement"

If Morton Smith realized the truth per Edwin Johnson — that 100% of all
"ancient" Christian writings are forgeries of the late Middle Ages — then he
had as much reason as any creator of the Christian-history myth to add his own
discovered writing to the canon of such discovered writings. In that sense,
like Alan Watts, Smith's discovery was a genuine fake. The whole "authentic
versus fake" distinction collapses; it becomes a giant joke to talk in serious
tones with a straight face about "the *authentic* writings of the apostles",
like studying the *authentic* memoirs of Cinderella and disparaging the mere
"forged Cinderelline writings". I adhere to the genuine Cinderellines.



>Here is a website devoted to the topic of the authenticity of Secret Mark:
>http://www1.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Secret/secmark_home.html

>I am most interested in the statement there that the controversy was fueled
by one "Jack Neusner" who I assume is that over-productive Jacob Neusner of
Brown.


>I have a small interest in this since at one time I was quite interested in
the guru then-known as Da Free John (see my article in FringeWare Review).

Which issue or cover illustration?


>>Da Free John's Dawn Horse Press paperback reprint of The Secret Gospel, with
a new introduction by Jacob Neusner.

Secret Gospel
Morton Smith
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0913922552
1982


>>The uni-bremen.de website reprints Shawn Ayer's article from Alexandria
journal, which brings me in, having by that time become an contributor to that
journal (I think to that issue).

Which piece is yours?


Alexandria 3: The Journal of Western Cosmological Traditions
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0933999542
The Strange Case of the Secret Gospel According to Mark: How Morton Smith's
Discovery of a Lost Letter of Clement of Alexandria Scandalized Biblical
Scholarship — Shawn Eyer

Issue 2:
Psychedelic Effects and the Eleusinian Mysteries — Shawn Eyer
Orphic Hymn to Artemis — Shawn Eyer (translator)


>I wonder what led Jacob Neusner to change sides [from pro-authenticity to
forgery?]? Surely the whole issue is well out of his specialty (The Talmud,
which Edwin Johnson shows is a fraud anyway).


All the purported "ancient" writings of the religions of the book are
forgeries that generally include meaningful mystic allegory. The term 'fraud'
alone is often an inadequate descriptor, distorting the nature of the
material.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2389 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Alexandria journal contents
Alexandria — The Journal of Western Cosmological Traditions
http://www.phanes.com/alexandria.html

Issue 1
Introduction — David R. Fideler
Revisioning the Sacred for Our Time — Kathleen Raine
The Orphic Mystery: Harmony and Mediation — Lee Irwin
Hymns of Orpheus: Mutations — R. C. Hogart
Michael Maier's Alchemical Quadrature of the Circle — John Michell
The Eternal Feminine: Vladimir Solov'ev's Visions of Sophia — Kristi A.
Groberg
Embodying the Stars: Iamblichus and the Transformation of Platonic Paideia —
Gregory Shaw
Galaxies and Photons — Dana Wilde
Esotericism Today: The Example of Henry Corbin — Christopher Bamford
The Waters of Vision and the Gods of Skill — John Carey
The Path Toward the Grail: The Hermetic Sources and Structure of Wolfram von
Eschenbach's Parzival — David Fideler
The Creation of a Universal System: Saint-Yves d'Alveydre and his
Archeometer — Joscelyn Godwin
Aspects of Ancient Greek Music — Flora R. Levin
A Plotinian Solution to a Vedantic Problem — Michael Hornum
"Gnosticism," Ancient and Modern — Arthur Versluis
Hekate's Iynx: An Ancient Theurgical Tool — Stephen Ronan
Reviews
About the Contributors

Issue 2
Introduction: Cosmopolis, or the New Alexandria — David Fideler
The Museum at Alexandria — Edward Parsons
A Note on the Muses — Adam McLean
Bibliotheca Alexandrina: The Revival of the First Universal Library. A Report
from UNESCO
Alexandria: Past, Present, and Future — Eric Mueller
Hypatia of Alexandria: Mathematician, Astronomer, and Philosopher — Nancy
Nietupski
The Life of Hypatia from The Suda — Jeremiah Reedy (translator)
The Life of Hypatia — Socrates Scholasticus
The Life of Hypatia — John, Bishop of Nikiu
Psychedelic Effects and the Eleusinian Mysteries — Shawn Eyer
The Science and Art of Animating Statues — David Fideler
The Alchemical Harp of Mechtild of Hackeborn — Therese Schroeder-Sheker
The Fish Bride — Jane Thigpen
An Introduction to the Monochord — Siemen Terpstra
A Note on Ptolemy's Polychord and the Contemporary Relevance of Harmonic
Science — David Fideler
Mysticism and Spiritual Harmonics in Eighteenth-Century England — Arthur
Versluis
Mentalism and the Cosmological Fallacy — Joscelyn Godwin
Printing, Memory, and the Loss of the Celestial — Arthur Versluis
Gerhard Dorn's Monarchy of the Ternary in Union Versus the Monomachia of the
Dyad in Confusion — Daniel Willens (translator)
Imago Magia, Virgin Mother of Eternity: Imagination and Phantasy in the
Philosophy of Jacob Boehme — Hugh Urban
The Castle of Heroes: W. B. Yeats' Celtic Mystical Order — Peter Cawley
The Availability of the One: An Interpretive Essay — Michael Hornum
The Magic of Romance: The Cultivation of Eros from Sappho to the
Troubadours — Christopher Bamford
Seating Arrangements in Plato's Symposium — Robin Waterfield
All Religions are One — William Blake
The Dolphin in Greek Legend and Myth — Melitta Rabinovitch
Sacred Geography of the Ancient Greeks — Christine Rhone
The Cosmological Rorschach — David Fideler
Psalm — Carolyn North
Orphic Hymn to Artemis — Shawn Eyer (translator)
Reports from Hyperborea — John Henry
Book Reviews
Books in Brief — David Fideler
Notices
About the Contributors

Issue 3
Introduction: Education and the Signs of the Times — David Fideler
Harmony Made Visible — Michael S. Schneider
The Alchemy of Art — Arthur Versluis
Ecopsychology in Theory and Practice: A Report on the 1994 Conference —
Melissa Nelson
A Note Against the Aristotelians — Peter Ramus
The Divine Sophia: Isis, Achamoth, and Ialdabaoth — Lee Irwin
Ruminations on All and Everything — Peter Russell
Clement of Alexandria's Letter to Theodore Containing Fragments of a Secret
Gospel of Mark
The Strange Case of the Secret Gospel According to Mark: How Morton Smith's
Discovery of a Lost Letter of Clement of Alexandria Scandalized Biblical
Scholarship — Shawn Eyer
Knowledge, Reason, and Ethics: A Neoplatonic Perspective — Michael Hornum
Delphi's Enduring Message: On the Need for Oracular Communications in
Psychological Life — Dianne Skafte
Two Lyrics — Christopher Reynolds
Lyric on a Renaissance Woodcut — David Fideler
Anatolius: On the Decad — Robin Waterfield (translator)
Two Letters of Marsilio Ficino
Proclus's Hymn to the One — Michael Hornum (translator)
Cosmologies — Dana Wilde
The Invisible College — Anthony Rooley
Reviving the Academies of the Muses — David Fideler
Plato, Athena, and Saint Katherine: The Education of the Philosopher —
Christine Rhone
The School of Wisdom — Jane Leade
Education in the New World Order: A Trialogue — Ralph Abraham, Terence
McKenna, and Rupert Sheldrake
The Teaching Mission of Socrates — Ignacio L. Götz
A Note on Myth, the Mysteries, and Teaching in Plato's Republic — Ignacio L.
Götz
The Tarocchi del Mantegna: An Overview of the Engravings
Reflections on the Tarocchi of Mantegna — Oliver T. Perrin
Speaking in Hieroglyphics — Peter Lamborn Wilson
Three Exemplars of the Esoteric Tradition in the Renaissance — Karen-Claire
Voss
Ships with Wings
Apuleius in the Underworld: A Footnote to Metamorphoses 11 — John Carey
Three Homeric Hymns — Bruce MacLennan (translator)
Astronomy, Contemplation, and the Objects of Celestial Desire — David Fideler
Book Reviews
About the Contributors

Issue 4 – The Order and Beauty of Nature
Introduction: Philosophy Embracing the World — David Fideler
The Cosmic Religious Feeling — Albert Einstein
Science and Religion — Albert Einstein
Science and the Beautiful — Werner Heisenberg
Soul and the World: A Conversation with Thomas Moore and Suzi Gablik
Retrieving an Ancient Ecology: Art — Christopher Castle
Deep Form in Art and Nature — Betty and Theodore Roszak
Ecomorphology: Art — Gordon Onslow Ford
Two Poems — Betty Roszak
Cosmology, Ethics, and the Practice of Relatedness: A Conversation on
Philosophy, the Patterns of Nature, and the Ways of Knowing — David Fideler
Cultivating Ecological Design Intelligence — Stuart Cowan
Neoplatonism and the Cosmological Revolution: Holism, Fractal Geometry, and
Mind in Nature — David Fideler
Egos, Angels, and the Colors of Nature — Robert D. Romanyshyn
The Contemporary Christian Platonism of A. H. Armstrong — Jay Bregman
The Theology of the Invisible — Bruce Nelson
The World Religions and Ecology — Joseph Milne
The Information War — Hakim Bey
Philosophical Counseling — Kathleen Damiani
Novelty, the Stop, and the Advent of Conscience — David Appelbaum
Life, Lindisfarne, and Everything: William Irwin Thompson Speaks Out
Jung and the Myth of the Primordial Tradition — Andrew Burniston
The Lost Spirit of Hellenic Philosophy — Christos Evangeliou
Drinking with the Muses — Thomas Willard
Claiming a Liberal Education — Stephen Rowe
How to Host a Philosophical Banquet — Plutarch
Words of the God: Ancient Oracle Traditions of the Mediterranean World — Lee
Irwin
Hermeticism and the Utopian Imagination — John Michael Greer

Issue 5
Dante and the Comic Way — Joseph Meeker
An Ecology of Mind — Doug Man
Science's Missing Half: Epistemological Pluralism and the Search for an
Inclusive Cosmology — David Fideler
Negotiating the Highwire of Heaven: The Milky Way and the Itinerary of the
Soul — E. C. Krupp
Nature and Nature's God: Modern Cosmology and the Rebirth of Natural
Philosophy — Theodore Roszak
Creativity: The Meeting of Apollo and Dionysus — F. David Peat
Mithras, the Hypercosmic Sun, and the Rockbirth — David Ulansey
Musical Emblems in the Renaissance: A Survey — Christina Linsenmeyer-van
Schalkwyk
Jung and the Alchemical Imagination — Jeffrey Raff
Two Platonic Voices in America: Ralph Waldo Emerson and Thomas M. Johnson —
David Fideler
Alcott's Transcendental Neoplatonism and the Concord Summer School — Jay
Bregman
Chaos and the Millennium — Ralph Abraham
Is Anything the Matter? — Roger S. Jones
Magnificent Desolation — Dana Wilde
Soul Loss and Soul Making — Kabir Helminski
Ideal Beauty and Sensual Beauty in Works of Art — Aphrodite Alexandrakis
Socrates and the Art of Dialogue — Robert Apatow
Footprints on the Threshold — Christine Rhone
Science: Method, Myth, Metaphor? — Amy Ione
Teaching Archaeoastronomy — Greg Whitlock
Oneiriconographia: Entering Poliphilo's Utopian Dreamscape: A Review Essay —
Peter Lamborn Wilson
Memorial of A. H. Armstrong — Jay Bregman
Memorial of Marie-Louise von Franz — Jeffrey Raff
About the Contributors
Group: egodeath Message: 2390 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: All purported ancient Xn writings are early-Modern forgeries
The Pauline Epistles – Re-Studied and Explained
http://www.egodeath.com/edwinjohnsonpaulineepistles.htm
A translation-in-process from 19th-Century English


Per Edwin Johnson's theory, the term "the late Middle Ages" asserts too many
false implications about chronology; the construct "the late Middle Ages" is a
major part of the full implicit system of the Eusebian false chronology.

If Morton Smith realized the truth per Edwin Johnson — that 100% of all
"ancient" Christian (and Jewish and Islamic?) writings are forgeries of the
late Middle Ages, or perhaps better, "the era we call 'the 1500s'" — then he
had as much reason as any creator of the Christian-history myth to add his own
discovered writing, Secret Mark, to the canon of such discovered writings. In
that sense, like Alan Watts, Smith's discovery was a genuine fake.

The whole "authentic versus fake" distinction collapses; it becomes a giant
joke to talk in serious tones with a straight face about "the *authentic*
writings of the apostles", like studying the *authentic* memoirs of Cinderella
and disparaging the mere "forged Cinderelline writings". I adhere to the
genuine Cinderellines.

Quasi-historical religious writings — including forgeries — can be
mystically authentic though literally false.

The term "forgeries" has its conventional meaning in contrast to the
taken-for-granted notion of *genuine* ancient Christian writings; the
conceptual category of 'forgery' thus actively though covertly reifies or
artificially constructs the category of 'authentic' writings. Certain
writings are certainly forgeries — this seems to therefore necessarily imply
that some other writings are genuinely ancient Christian writings.

Forgery thus effectively acts like a method of creating a solid basis of
reality of antiquity. Through distraction-based magic, this sleight-of-hand
logic runs "Forgery; therefore, antiquity." Grossly glaring forgeries make
the more subtle forgeries look relatively authentic and convincing.

Such is the spirit of Johnson's "Pauline Epistles". It is interesting to read
Johnson's "Pauline Epistles" and then read Ehrman's "Lost Christianities".
Everything Ehrman says about forgery and constructing history through writing
history takes on a different light, an ironic amplification far beyond what
Ehrman seems to have intended. So often we come across, in Ehrman's type of
writing, the old pattern of wild ranges of dating scripture fragments to
ancient times or Medieval times.

The Renaissance was so similar to the ancient era, it is no longer possible to
think of them as two separate eras; the year 1400 is the year 700, renamed.
Johnson asserts that the years 700-1400 didn't exist and that we can't know
but can only blindly guess how much time there really was between the ancient
era (Antonines) and the Reformation era.

Johnson is more radical than Illig/Topper in proposing 700 rather than 300
phantom years, but more durable in that he remains agnostic about the number
of centuries between the Antonines and Reformation — but it's surely much
shorter than the invented received chronology.


— Michael Hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 2391 From: jamesjomeara Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Re: Morton Smith in Lost Xys – “Those Who Know” = It’s all forgery?
— In egodeath@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hoffman" <mhoffman@e…>
wrote:
>
> >I have a small interest in this since at one time I was quite
interested in
> the guru then-known as Da Free John (see my article in FringeWare
Review).
>
> Which issue or cover illustration?

Issue 10, Chaos Spirituality, edited by Erik Davis, who I knew in his
NYC days. A secretary at my firm turned out to be one of Da's first
wives, so I suddenly had access to practicing Daists again, and took
the opportunity to update my views.
>
>
>
> Which piece is yours?
>
>
> Alexandria 3: The Journal of Western Cosmological Traditions
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0933999542
> The Strange Case of the Secret Gospel According to Mark: How Morton
Smith's
> Discovery of a Lost Letter of Clement of Alexandria Scandalized
Biblical
> Scholarship — Shawn Eyer
>
> Issue 2:
> Psychedelic Effects and the Eleusinian Mysteries — Shawn Eyer
> Orphic Hymn to Artemis — Shawn Eyer (translator)

Actually, as I look at my files, I have a review of Deck's Nature,
Contemplation and the One (a homage to Neoplatonism in small town
Ontario) in issue 2, and a review of Wilber's SES in issue 4. I
recall that David was quite happy to have the latter, as W. Thompson
was rather harsh about Wilber in his interview in that same issue
(something like "only American college students are illiterate enough
to think Wilber has read anything" or some such.) Thus my fairly
critical piece counted as "balance".
>
>
> >I wonder what led Jacob Neusner to change sides [from pro-
authenticity to
> forgery?]? Surely the whole issue is well out of his specialty
(The Talmud,
> which Edwin Johnson shows is a fraud anyway).
>
>
> All the purported "ancient" writings of the religions of the book
are
> forgeries that generally include meaningful mystic allegory. The
term 'fraud'
> alone is often an inadequate descriptor, distorting the nature of
the
> material.
>
>
> — Michael Hoffman
> http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and
rebirth
> experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2392 From: merker2002 Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Re: All purported ancient Xn writings are early-Modern forgeries
Do you mean that the whole of Christianity is an invention of the
midddle ages?

If this is the case (it somehow seems creepingly the truth) ,
then this would be just too crazy.
Group: egodeath Message: 2393 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Re: All purported ancient Xn writings are early-Modern forgeries
>Do you mean that the whole of Christianity is an invention of the
>midddle ages?


That's part of the proposed paradigm shift.
Group: egodeath Message: 2394 From: rialcnis2000 Date: 20/10/2003
Subject: Re: All purported ancient Xn writings are early-Modern forgeries
Ah, an honest Buddhist for a change.

dc

>>>>>>India – Reuters
Don't switch to Buddhism, Dalai Lama tells French
Wed Oct 15, 6:54 AM ET

PARIS (Reuters) – Exiled Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama on
Wednesday advised believers from other religions against converting
to
Buddhism.

The Dalai Lama, in France for a series of conferences, told France
Inter
radio that people were better off sticking with the religion they
grew up
with.

"In the 1960s I met people who had changed religion and then, later
in their
lives, experienced many problems because of that," the Buddhist
leader and
Nobel Peace Prize winner said.

"I also met a young Tibetan woman who said 'I've become a Christian
in this
life but I will be a Buddhist again in the next life'," he said.

"So I think it is best, if one is a believer, to keep the religion
with
which one was brought up, which one is used to, which is familiar,"
the
Dalai Lama concluded.

French media have reported an upswing in interest in Buddhism in
France —
traditionally a Roman Catholic country but with a five-million-
strong Muslim
population — which is thought to be linked to disenchantment with
established religions.


— In egodeath@yahoogroups.com, "merker2002" <stemmer02@g…> wrote:
> Do you mean that the whole of Christianity is an invention of the
> midddle ages?
>
> If this is the case (it somehow seems creepingly the truth) ,
> then this would be just too crazy.

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