Egodeath Yahoo Group – Digest 55 (2003-12-14)

Group: egodeath Message: 2747 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 14/12/2003
Subject: Enth. conf. presentation on ego death shocking
Group: egodeath Message: 2748 From: rialcnis2000 Date: 14/12/2003
Subject: Chih-I and Literalism-issues and proofs of the Entheogenic Origins
Group: egodeath Message: 2749 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: Filtering effect: mystics reject non-allusive, & officials reject e
Group: egodeath Message: 2750 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: Re: Enth. conf. presentation on ego death shocking
Group: egodeath Message: 2751 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: Rock, the authentic mystery religion of 20th Century
Group: egodeath Message: 2752 From: merker2002 Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: Re: Enth. conf. presentation on ego death shocking
Group: egodeath Message: 2753 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: Need stats on medit. vs. enth. efficacy (not excuses & spin)
Group: egodeath Message: 2754 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: How long before entheogen religion mainstream again?
Group: egodeath Message: 2755 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: Goal is determinism, not entheogens
Group: egodeath Message: 2756 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 16/12/2003
Subject: Trip magazine is ending
Group: egodeath Message: 2757 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 16/12/2003
Subject: Rising above the enslaving law of experienced determinism
Group: egodeath Message: 2758 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 16/12/2003
Subject: Need theory and experience, integrated
Group: egodeath Message: 2759 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 16/12/2003
Subject: Re: Rock, the authentic mystery religion of 20th Century
Group: egodeath Message: 2760 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 17/12/2003
Subject: Need to resume my more careful posting. On moderating.
Group: egodeath Message: 2761 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 17/12/2003
Subject: Re: Rising above the enslaving law of experienced determinism
Group: egodeath Message: 2762 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 17/12/2003
Subject: Re: Xn dove = Zeus’ Eagle. Pierced side/blood drink in Jesus/Mith’m
Group: egodeath Message: 2763 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 17/12/2003
Subject: Bridge or wall between determinists and freewillists
Group: egodeath Message: 2764 From: stemmer02@gmx.net Date: 17/12/2003
Subject: big secret out > rain = reign
Group: egodeath Message: 2765 From: stemmer02@gmx.net Date: 17/12/2003
Subject: Re: Bridge or wall between determinists and freewillists
Group: egodeath Message: 2766 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Bridge or wall between determinists and freewillists
Group: egodeath Message: 2767 From: merker2002 Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Victim of Love /Complete Revelation
Group: egodeath Message: 2768 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Bridge or wall between determinists and freewillists
Group: egodeath Message: 2769 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: rain = reign double-hearing as work within paradigm
Group: egodeath Message: 2770 From: wrmspirit@aol.com Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Rising above the enslaving law of experienced determinism
Group: egodeath Message: 2771 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Victim of Love /Complete Revelation
Group: egodeath Message: 2772 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Need to resume my more careful posting. On moderating.
Group: egodeath Message: 2773 From: merker2002 Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: rain = reign double-hearing as work within paradigm
Group: egodeath Message: 2774 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Need to resume my more careful posting. On moderating.
Group: egodeath Message: 2775 From: merker2002 Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Victim of Love /Complete Revelation /QUEEN
Group: egodeath Message: 2776 From: wrmspirit@aol.com Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Need to resume my more careful posting. On moderating.
Group: egodeath Message: 2777 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Re: big secret out > rain = reign
Group: egodeath Message: 2778 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Religion is innate capacity to experience truth
Group: egodeath Message: 2779 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Book: Brock: Mary M, 1st Apostle: Struggle for Authority
Group: egodeath Message: 2780 From: rialcnis2000 Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Re: Religion is innate capacity to experience truth
Group: egodeath Message: 2781 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Book lists ranked by popularity
Group: egodeath Message: 2782 From: merker2002 Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Re: Book: Brock: Mary M, 1st Apostle: Struggle for Authority
Group: egodeath Message: 2783 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Re: Book: Brock: Mary M, 1st Apostle: Struggle for Authority
Group: egodeath Message: 2784 From: merker2002 Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: M Jackson: Invincible
Group: egodeath Message: 2785 From: merker2002 Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: 420 cybernetic truth indicator
Group: egodeath Message: 2786 From: merker2002 Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: “Prayers For Rain” (The Cure) / Rainmaker
Group: egodeath Message: 2787 From: biochimp Date: 20/12/2003
Subject: All Along The Watchtower – lyrics by Jimi Hendrix
Group: egodeath Message: 2788 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 20/12/2003
Subject: Re: All Along The Watchtower – lyrics by Jimi Hendrix
Group: egodeath Message: 2789 From: merker2002 Date: 21/12/2003
Subject: Reignbow /window
Group: egodeath Message: 2790 From: merker2002 Date: 21/12/2003
Subject: Purple Rain
Group: egodeath Message: 2791 From: merker2002 Date: 21/12/2003
Subject: rain=reign Advanced
Group: egodeath Message: 2792 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 21/12/2003
Subject: Re: Reignbow /window
Group: egodeath Message: 2793 From: egodeath@yahoogroups.com Date: 22/12/2003
Subject: File – EgodeathPostingRules.txt
Group: egodeath Message: 2794 From: merker2002 Date: 22/12/2003
Subject: Bicycle Race = Tripping on LSD
Group: egodeath Message: 2795 From: merker2002 Date: 22/12/2003
Subject: Re: Bicycle Race = Tripping on LSD
Group: egodeath Message: 2796 From: merker2002 Date: 23/12/2003
Subject: Endless August nights


Group: egodeath Message: 2747 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 14/12/2003
Subject: Enth. conf. presentation on ego death shocking
If I presented at an entheogen conference I'd put forth my most intense,
distinctive ideas: ego death, determinism, no Jesus & crew, self-control
seizure, prayer for transcendent rescue, futility of personal self-control
agency, rejection of idea of Catholic suppression of entheogens in the middle
ages, removal of the years 500-1000, denial of the legitimacy
(efficacy/historical credentials) of meditation — alarming people by
incorporating all entheogen research & positions, but then turning it to these
purposes that would jar and shock the would-be "radical" entheogen community.


— Michael Hoffman
Egodeath.com
Group: egodeath Message: 2748 From: rialcnis2000 Date: 14/12/2003
Subject: Chih-I and Literalism-issues and proofs of the Entheogenic Origins
Chih-I and Literalism-issues and proofs of the Entheogenic Origins
of Religion.

Various issues and proofs of the entheogenic origins of religion
theory, rests on a primary idea that reading religious texts
literally, denies the hidden meaning within a teaching.

The theory is based on the idea, that in order to find the proof of
the Entheogenic Plant, Origin of Religion, one must learn to read
hidden meanings in the texts and in the mythology and have the
corresponding, experiential proof of one's own use of entheogens.

The theory also relies on the existence and use of "Secret
Teachings" amongst Secretive followers of entheogenic religion and
the reasons, social and otherwise, for the obscuration of
widespread, religious, Entheogenic use.

In short, this theory is based on "hidden and secret," powers and
knowledege, obtained from Entheogenic experience itself and the use
of secret means, entrainment/mindcontrol and cautious speech, when
communicating these things to the people of their respective times
and formning the various religious sects.

In high Buddhism, the idea of the "Himyo-hoben,"
translation, "Secret and Skillful Means, (of the Buddha)" is
fundamental. The answer to this secret itself, exists within
Entheogenic experience.

It is as though one must go into another dimension of reality and
retrieve a key, to bring back into the consesnus reality and
Buddhism explains the "sequence of propagation," based on
the "Receptivity," of people in each age.

Below is an example of the writings of Chih-I 538-597C.E


Chih-i On "reading between the Lines" (Kanjin), Specific and General
and the essense of Buddhism.



Chih-i (Tien-t'ai the great writes in lesser Chapter 5 of the Maka
Shikan:

"It is easy for a sticky hand to adhere, and hard to awaken from deep
dreaming. Some people seal up a text and restrict its sense,
declaring their own personal understanding of it to be right. They
vie with others to seize tiles and pebbles, thinking they are
baubles of lapis lazuli.

Even the most familiar things and explicit statements they fail to
understand; how could they not but err when it comes to the abstruse
principle and hidden teaching? This is why it is necessary to
discuss "the returning to the purport."

"Returning to the Purport," signifies the place where the purport of
a text leads, like the sea to which all streams flow, or the sky to
which all flames point. One must learn to distinguish the hidden and
arrive at the abstruse without being stymied or waylaid anywhere. Be
like the wise minister who always fathoms the meaning of the king's
veiled words.

(from a story in the Nirvana Sutra about reading in between the
lines)

Whatever you hear from the Buddha's preaching, know that inevitably
it leads to the ground of omniscient wisdom. Whoever grasps this
point indeed comprehends the returning to the purport to the great
abode.

"Purport" means to orient oneself to the three virtuous qualities (of
Buddhahood,

1. Law-body, 2. Pranja (wisdom) and 3. liberation) "and returning,"
means to direct others towards them as well; this is why it is
called, "the returning of the purport." Again, "returning" means
entering into the three qualities oneself and "purport," means
causing others to enter into them. It is to this end that the
Chapter (of the Maka Shikan)is called "the returning to the purport."

*******

About the hidden teachings mentioned above, Miao-lo states (as a note

to this sentence above) "If your understanding is versed in the
secret

or hidden teaching and comprehends the abstruse principle, then you
will not dally in the exoteric teaching, nor become entangled in the
more commonplace principles."

Tien-t'ai continues:

"Now we shall explain the "returning of the purport," again, both in
General (tsung) summary and Specific (pieh) detail. As for the
((General) summary explanation, the Buddhas appear in the world in
order to bring about the one great event. (from the Hoben Chapter)
To fulfil this end they display a variety of corporeal forms,
through which they lead beings to the realization of the [unchanging
and mark-less] Dharma-body.

Once these beings have perceived the Dharma-Body, Buddhas and beings
both revert to the Dharma-Body. Again the buddhas also expound a
variety of Dharmas, by which they bring animate beings to complete
mastery of a Tathagata's omniscient wisdom of all modes. Once in
possession of this omniscience, both Buddhas and animate beings
return to the Pranja.

Moreover, the Buddhas exhibit a variety of expedients, superhuman
powers and magical transformations, by which they liberate beings
from their fetters.

They do not enable only a single person to annihilate his bonds, for
the bonds of all beings are destroyed by the annihilating powers of
the Tathagata.

Once their bonds have been annihilated, both Buddhas and beings
return to liberation. The Nirvana Sutra states, "Having placed all
my children at rest in the secret treasury I myself will also abide
there before long.

These are the summary or General features of the "returning of the
purport."

"Now, there is the "detailed" (Specific) explanation of the three
qualities: There are three kinds of Buddha-body; first is the
physical body, second the body of teachings, and third is the body
of reality itself. The "returning" that takes place after the
activities of teaching and training is over may be construed as
follows:

The physical body returns to liberation, the body of the teachings
returns to prajna, and the body of reality returns to the Dharma
Body……

Tien-t'ai continues to define the 3 kinds of Pranja and the three
kinds of liberation and then states:

"As such when discussed in terms of Specific attributes, "returning
to the purport still means returning to the secret treasury of the
three qualities of Buddhahood (or ultimate reality).

"Now the three meritorious qualities are in reality neither three nor
one but are utterly inconceivable. Why?….."

Tien-t'ai gives a lengthy explanation then states: "Both (our
own awakening and that of others) simultaneously enter into the
secret treasury, and this is why we use the expression, "returning
of the purport."


More on the "Secret Treasury" later……………….






dc
Group: egodeath Message: 2749 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: Filtering effect: mystics reject non-allusive, & officials reject e
Rialcnis wrote (paraphrased):
>>The entheogenic origins of religion theory holds that reading religious
texts literally, denies the hidden meaning within a teaching. To find the
proof of the entheogenic plant theory of the origin of religion, one must
learn to read and recognize hidden meanings or allusions in the texts and in
the mythology, and have the corresponding, experiential recognition of the
themes and allusions from first-hand knowledge of the entheogenic nonordinary
state of consciousness.

>>Secret teachings among secretive followers of entheogenic religion are due
to reasons, social and otherwise, for the obscuring of widespread religious
use of entheogens. Hidden and secret powers and knowledege obtained from
entheogenic experience are used with secret means when communicating these
things and forming religious sects.

>>In high Buddhism, there is the idea of the "Himyo-hoben," "Secret and
Skillful Means of the Buddha" — the answer to this secret exists within
Entheogenic experience. One must go into another dimension of reality and
retrieve a key and bring it back into the consensus reality. Buddhism
explains the sequence of propagation, based on the receptivity of people in
each age.


I don't know why there are seemingly few explicit writings about visionary
plants in historical religious writings. This is not a problem that hinders
the entheogen theory of religion, but it is odd, a puzzle — with some
plausible solutions like the filtering forces that censored explicit drug
references in late 1960s Rock lyrics. Maybe much was written down — and then
destroyed by others.

Mystics leave out and thus effectively destroy texts that have no
double-entendres alluding to plant mysticism; while officials leave out and
thus effectively destroy texts that have explicit references to plant
mysticism.

There are 3 types of writing:

Explicit references to plant mysticism. Destroyed by officials.
No references to plant mysticism. Abandoned and disparaged by mystics.
Double-entendres alluding to plant mysticism. Acceptable to, and preserved
by, mystics and officials.

Thus there is a filtering effect leaving us with the type of scriptures we
have: scriptures that are generally more or less dense with double-entendres
and metaphors that allude to plant mysticism.


Gershom Scholem completely waffles but tends to write that the mystics take an
existing text, *which does not have mystic intention of double-entendre*, and
strive to artificially find and project a mystic double-entendre into it.
Inconsistently, he sometimes writes that we can't know whether the texts
actually contain deliberate mystic intended double-entendre.

Scholem is wrong: religious texts as a rule are characterized by a deliberate
inherent high density of mystic-state double-entendres. If they didn't have
much potential for such reading, mystics would shun them and kill those
writings — profane writings, by definition — through disrespect and
inattention. At least, they'd relatively ignore such mystically inert
writings.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2750 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: Re: Enth. conf. presentation on ego death shocking
>>If I presented at an entheogen conference I'd put forth my most intense,
distinctive ideas: ego death, determinism, no Jesus & crew, self-control
seizure, prayer for transcendent rescue, futility of personal self-control
agency, rejection of idea of Catholic suppression of entheogens in the middle
ages, removal of the years 500-1000, denial of the legitimacy
(efficacy/historical credentials) of meditation — alarming people by
incorporating all entheogen research & positions, but then turning it to these
purposes that would jar and shock the would-be "radical" entheogen community.


One interesting approach is a presentation "Pros and Cons of Ego Death".
First, you have to sacrifice your firstborn child and deny that Jesus died on
the cross. In return, you get to be a metaphysical slave and helpless puppet
rescued by an impossible miracle. Good news: In the Gospel of John, turning
water into wine, water of divine life flowing from the belly, means drinking
mushroom urine. By the way, all this leads to the conclusion that Jesus is
heroin. Thank you and good night.
Group: egodeath Message: 2751 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: Rock, the authentic mystery religion of 20th Century
Michael wrote:
>> The religious banqueting associations were like small Rock or Punk Rock
clubs, against the Prog Rock arena shows of the mass-scale mystery
initiations. Mithraism was like a large network of intimately tiny Rock
clubs.


Frank wrote:
>This is a great way to look at it. It can also be a bit depressing.
>If Christianity got to its arena rock phase around the time of
>Augustine, us gnostic types have barely gotten out of our garage band
>startup!


The ancient towering powerful Catholic church is largely an illusion; it was
but a recent mouse.


Today I found that Erik Davis a similar description in the book TechGnosis:

"… the freak scene would never have spread without technology … Especially
the electric guitar. … the rock concert had become the hedonic agora of the
counterculture; musicians dove headfirst into the electromagnetic imaginary,
transforming … electrical effects like feedback and distortion into
ferocious transcendental chaos. … Combined with … light shows and
[entheogens originating from the Establishment] … these kundalini-tweaking
soundstorms staged electrified Eleusinian mysteries …" p. 145


— Michael Hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 2752 From: merker2002 Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: Re: Enth. conf. presentation on ego death shocking
— In egodeath@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hoffman" <mhoffman@e…> wrote:
>
> >>If I presented at an entheogen conference I'd put forth my most
intense,
> distinctive ideas: ego death, determinism, no Jesus & crew, self-control
> seizure, prayer for transcendent rescue, futility of personal
self-control
> agency, rejection of idea of Catholic suppression of entheogens in
the middle
> ages, removal of the years 500-1000, denial of the legitimacy
> (efficacy/historical credentials) of meditation — alarming people by
> incorporating all entheogen research & positions, but then turning
it to these
> purposes that would jar and shock the would-be "radical" entheogen
community.
>
>
> One interesting approach is a presentation "Pros and Cons of Ego Death".
> First, you have to sacrifice your firstborn child and deny that
Jesus died on
> the cross. In return, you get to be a metaphysical slave and
helpless puppet
> rescued by an impossible miracle. Good news: In the Gospel of John,
turning
> water into wine, water of divine life flowing from the belly, means
drinking
> mushroom urine. By the way, all this leads to the conclusion that
Jesus is
> heroin. Thank you and good night.

Jesus is "heroin"?
Now , you should have told me that before…

How long will it take til true (entheogenic) religion gets mainstream
(again)?
Group: egodeath Message: 2753 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: Need stats on medit. vs. enth. efficacy (not excuses & spin)
Just like the WOD, there's no accountability in meditation, for its overall
collossal failure. We need stats on the efficacy of entheogens vs. meditation
to produce a clearly mystic state and profound insight. Please help provide
links toward such stats. Problem is, stats are easy to come by for
entheogens, because they work well, but hard to come by for meditation,
because it doesn't work well at all for the classic mystic goal (meditation
only 'works well' when one completely redefines the goal, innovating and
deviating from the classic view).

Meditation has lots of excuses, like the WOD, instead of stats indicating that
the general method has merit. Like the WOD, when viewed critically as with
business profitability accountability, meditation is a complete and dismal
failure at attaining its original marketed and trumpeted goals. Only by
redefining failure as success and shifting its goals to make them nebulous do
meditation and the WOD maintain their flimsy illusion of being coherent and
efficient methods toward a distinct and definable outcome.

A contest of stats between entheogens and meditation is "no contest" at all:
it's like 99% versus 1% efficacy, which has forced meditationists to squirm
like slippery snakes just like prohibitionists. Meditationists,
prohibitionists, I've lost the ability to tell one from the other: they are
both based on specious distortions resulting in a lie, opposite of truth, and
hindrance to what they claim to deliver.

Stats please, how to gather? Thanks


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2754 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: How long before entheogen religion mainstream again?
>>Jesus is "heroin"?
>>Now , you should have told me that before…


Why state the obvious? Ancient mythic deities are adorned with and identified
with opium poppy capsules along with core entheogens, 18th Century literature
used visionary opium, opium prevents nausea from entheogens, therefore the
usage context renders the poppy as part of the mystic garden pharmacopaeia,
which logically covers opium and derivatives including tincture thereof,
morphine, and heroin, and more potent synthetic opiates.


>How long will it take til true (entheogenic) religion gets mainstream
(again)?


Bill wrote:
>>[The entheogen theory as you are developing is] nothing less than the
radical transformation of a given in science … that is as dynamic as the
shift from the geocentric to the heliocentric in the renaissance or to
evolution later. Like McKenna liked to point out as archaic revival or
re-evolution, this shift in understanding AND experience will in fact be THE
essential 'missing link.'


Prof. Thomas Roberts' talk at http://www.entheogenesis.ca conference is "The
New Gutenberg Reformation – Entheogenic Experience as the Basis of Religion".
Ott's book Age of Entheogens
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0961423471 has essentially the
same idea.

First obstacle along the way: the B.S. of the post-60s reactionary spiritual
Establishment that meditation is the standard of historical legitimacy and of
efficacy, and that at best, entheogens are as effective and as legit
historically. That meditation-glorifying position is utter hogwash and
balderdash — an excellent example of specious argument, like the phony WOD.
Meditation is but a feeble murmur of our entheogenic brain circuits; the
evidence clearly supports this position, especially when prohibition is
factored out.

The phony WOD walks hand-in-hand with the meditation-glorifying,
entheogen-diminishing dominant spirituality paradigm. I'm against not
meditation, but that meditation paradigm that insists of preventing entheogens
from getting due credit as vastly surpassing the ergonomics of entheogens for
classic mystic experiential states and insight. The same debunking that
covers the WOD also covers the meditation paradigm.

The WOD is the same thing as the meditation paradigm, in key ways. They are
allies against the truth about the entheogenic wellspring and perennial origin
of religion, and I particularly loathe and hate when the supposed entheogen
defenders give credibility to the meditation paradigm which reigns today, and
fail to even try to knock it down where it belongs as a distortion become lie,
the opposite of truth.

It *could be* soon.


— Michael Hoffman
Egodeath.com
Group: egodeath Message: 2755 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 15/12/2003
Subject: Goal is determinism, not entheogens
Randy wrote:
>>To ensure that we are talking the same subject I am using the following
definition:

>>hallucinogens: … [Medical Dictionary, © 1997-98 Academic Medical
Publishing]


Definition selection is a "political" act, so to speak. That definition is
poor and I reject it.


>>our culture's use of such substances and the various justification for that
use. … the need to view our environment in some way other … hallucinogens
are required to perceive reality. … doesn't such an approach reject the
basic concepts of determinism?


Why do you see or assume a connection between hallu. and rejecting
determinism? Determinism (particularly timeless vertical determinism) is
common as dirt in mysticism, and entheogens commonly induce the mystic state,
which is why it would be easy to list examples of entheogens producing an
experience of determinism.

Entheogens are misunderstood and underestimated due to prohibition. Factor
out prohibition, and a different paradigm arises, the original paradigm of
religio-philosophy and sacred science.


Determinism is more important, more of the heart of revelation, than
entheogens or no-historical-Jesus. Most entheogen scholars pose "religion is
about entheogens" as the revelation and core religious insight; against them,
I stand apart, and pose entheogens as merely the means to the end, where the
end is not what we expect from spirituality, but instead, is determinism.
Entheogens are not the message: determinism is the message. Entheogens are
the messenger-angel, delivering the message, which is determinism.

Determinism is the revelation of the victory and transcendent
kingdom/kingship. Determinism washes away 'sin' as error/delusion about moral
agency, including washing away the accustomed sense of moral culpability.
Apprehended rebel-king Jesus on the cross is nothing but a symbol of
sacrificing the freewill agency delusion to gain mental integrity and know our
subjection to determinism.

Such knowing is metaphorized as ascension into the divinely governed kingdom,
the kingdom of heaven, which is consciousness of determinism, along with the
'chosen race' of the 'elect': all who are predestined to experience and become
fully aware of determinism, or no-free-will/no-separate-self.


I cannot take the time to post further.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience as altered-state experience of determinism
Group: egodeath Message: 2756 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 16/12/2003
Subject: Trip magazine is ending
—–Original Message—–
From: James Kent
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:37 AM
To: tripzine yahoogroup
Subject: [tripzine] Trip Magazine, Important News


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Group: egodeath Message: 2757 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 16/12/2003
Subject: Rising above the enslaving law of experienced determinism
RE: [JesusMysteries] H. Detering on Galatians 4:24-30

>Marcion explains the antithesis of Ismail -the one-
>and Isaac -the other- allegorically, Ismail representing the law,
>Isaac the faith, i.e. the typical Paulinic antithesis
>is applied to the Torah tale about Abraham's sons.

>The enslaving Law starts with the mountain of Sinai,
>and leads to the jewish synagogues.
>Faith in Christ , to the contrary,
>lifts the believer above all the enslaving powers.
>Faith is the mother of the Christian believer.
>Obviously the catholic redactor objected to this form of direct
>denigration of the law of the Tanakh, especially as it
>must necessarily upset Judeochristians.


Myth is metaphorical description, using systemic double-entendre, of
encountering cosmic determinism in the mystic altered state of consciousness,
and striving to transcend that experientially discovered determinism.
Law/judgment/enslaving means determinism;
mercy/compassion/forgiveness/elevation-above means mentally leaping out of the
system to divinely transcend determinism. Many antithesis in myth-religion
are used to express this same core religious-experiencing pattern.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — the only simple and comprehensible theory of the
ego-death and rebirth experience. The only essence, paradigm, origin, core,
fountainhead, and ultimate goal of religion is the use of visionary plants to
routinely trigger the intense mystic altered state, producing loose cognitive
association binding, which then produces an experience of frozen
block-universe determinism with a single, pre-existing, ever-existing future.
The return of the ordinary state of consciousness is allegorized as a
transcendence of Necessity or cosmic determinism. Myth describes this
mystic-state experience. Initiation is classically a series of some 8
visionary-plant sessions, interspersed with study of perennial philosophy.
Most religion is a distortion, corruption, literalization, cooptation, and
missing-the-point overcomplication of this simple, standard initiation system.
Group: egodeath Message: 2758 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 16/12/2003
Subject: Need theory and experience, integrated
Ken wrote (paraphrased):
>>Peak experiences have a limited value in helping us live our daily lives.
Few hours can be spent high compared to the years we live in our "normal"
state. That's where we exist, that's what we need to work on. After the
effects wear off, one is essentially back where one started. You've placed
peak experience on a pedestal. Thoughtful, drug-free study, conversation and
contemplation of reality is a much more solid platform to base our philosophy
and actions on.


The winning formula for discovering and formulating an accurate worldmodel is
to well integrate an excellent range of experiencing with an excellent range
of study; integrate experience with theory. It is a fallacy to pose one
against the other as though one must choose between. The mystic state
perspective in its full intensity is transient, but so is sexual climax; it is
a fallacy to assume that the temporal finitude of something reduces its value.

Many people have tried to use mystic experiencing without adequate study of
philosophy, and many have tried to do philosophy but without adequate study of
the mystic state. Theory and practice of this sort are both essential, and
integrating them is essential, for a full grasp of determinism. Without the
mystic state, one can never have a rich and full-bodied grasp of determinism,
nor have the best philosophical model of determinism. The two are two
necessary halves which multiply each other.


>>Your assertion that there is one true path, use of entheogens to experience
determinism, is a falsehood which has gotten humanity into the most trouble
throughout history; it's the definition of dangerous, destructive
fundamentalist religion.


Any assertion can be used as an excuse for war, including the assertion of the
radical entheogen theory of religion (that all religion is really about
experiential insights from visionary-plants), and including the doctrine of
determinism, which was put forth as a basis for the religious wars. If any
doctrine is provably guilty of justifying actual wars, it is the doctrine of
determinism fueling the Protestant/Catholic wars — not the entheogen theory
of religion, or my entheogen determinism theory of religion.

In myth-religion, 'war' must first be understood as a metaphorical description
for the struggle of the mind to come to grips with determinism and disengage
from its immature freewillist mental worldmodel while retaining self-control
stability. When 'war' in religious scripture is fully understood to be
metaphorical, this reduces the usefulness of religious scripture to support
literal war.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2759 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 16/12/2003
Subject: Re: Rock, the authentic mystery religion of 20th Century
>Today I found that Erik Davis a similar description in the book TechGnosis:
>
>"… the freak scene would never have spread without technology …
>Especially
>the electric guitar. … the rock concert had become the hedonic agora of the
>counterculture; musicians dove headfirst into the electromagnetic imaginary,
>transforming … electrical effects like feedback and distortion into
>ferocious transcendental chaos. … Combined with … light shows and
>[entheogens originating from the Establishment] … these kundalini-tweaking
>soundstorms staged electrified Eleusinian mysteries …" p. 145


TechGnosis: Myth, Magic, and Mysticism in the Age of Information
Erik Davis
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/060980474X
Currently pages 2-29 are available online here
1999
Rank 70K (popular)

http://www.techgnosis.com
Group: egodeath Message: 2760 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 17/12/2003
Subject: Need to resume my more careful posting. On moderating.
I have been prevented from posting in so many discussion groups, sometimes
with no notification or explanation, that my attitude has become careless and
flippant, posting things to a discussion group that are more extreme than if I
felt I had a chance. Since I feel like my posts have no chance of getting
through, I've taken a "what the hell; might as well lay it *all* out on the
line, since it is futile and the post has no chance of making it through. If
I'm destined to be censored, might as well not bother smoothing over what I
frankly write to individuals."

But some of these posts surprise me and do make it through, and I think I
would've written differently, more tailored for the discussion group, had I
known it would make it through. The element of predictability has been lost,
and without predictability, it is harder to write my best. I would be a
better contributor if I had experience in a truly strictly moderated group
which moderates every single post and requests that contributors improve their
submittal and resend it.

Thankfully I don't have to worry about any of this in the
JesusMysteriesDiscussion discussion group: there, I have always written
exactly what I actually want to communicate, without having to strategically
spin it to conform with expectations of moderators and mobs of members.

Acharya S can't understand why I waste my time following the JM discussion
group. Doesn't such a question cross the minds of many. I would contribute
further if I felt I *could* submit something and have it go through. It is
hard for me to understand that I can still *submit* posts for *consideration*.
I have actually felt entirely censored and silenced, and unfairly, because
some among the mob dislike my form or content or method, although I pay more
attention to the *stated* rules and purpose of the group than to the *actual*
rules and purpose of the group.

Every group wants me to write smaller, more evenly timed posts — it is not
natural for me, though I suppose I could learn, *if* moderators work to shape
me and don't just dumbly black-and-white accept or reject all of my postings.
A good moderator shapes and develops their members.

I think of one problem member as "oatmeal brain", contributing nebulous
indeterminate posts, loose in meaning, but even there there can be some
limited success by laying down the requirements, so that the contributor posts
something determinate and worth reading. My posting requirements at my group
are actually too strict and focused, if anything.

I can only imagine what sort of posts the JM moderators must contend against
every day! It surely must feel like a thankless task. I think the JM
moderators are not far from doing a really good job. They ought to welcome
more discussion of Mysteries and mystic states, while working to shape and
filter the contributions.

A weakness of how JM is run is probably that some people aren't moderated, and
others are; it's a crude on-or-off, black-and-white setup that doesn't have
the fine control of a fully moderated group where every post is evaluated
individually and rejected with instructions and requirements needed to repost
a better version of each posting.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2761 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 17/12/2003
Subject: Re: Rising above the enslaving law of experienced determinism
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JesusMysteries/message/16551

I am surprised that this message was accepted at the Jesus Mysteries
discussion group, including URL (though not including my unreasonable, radical
mega-signature block at the bottom).


>Myth is metaphorical description, using systemic double-entendre, of
>encountering cosmic determinism in the mystic altered state of consciousness,
…


>– Michael Hoffman
>http://www.egodeath.com — the only simple and comprehensible theory of the
>ego-death and rebirth experience. The only essence, paradigm, origin, core,
>fountainhead, and ultimate goal of religion is the use of visionary …
Group: egodeath Message: 2762 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 17/12/2003
Subject: Re: Xn dove = Zeus’ Eagle. Pierced side/blood drink in Jesus/Mith’m
>>Mithras daggers the bull and the initiate drinks its blood to have a
visionary-plant experience of ego death and rebirth out from the deterministic
cosmos. Similarly, Jesus offers his own body to be speared by the Roman
soldier, so that blood flows and one drinks that blood to be lifted, ascending
with the resurrected Jesus, into the heavens to rule at the side of God, who
rules over all (including Fate, destiny, and timeless determinism).


The well-known painting of the monk drinking the blood from Jesus' side while
on the cross is a reference to the dog licking the blood from the shoulder of
the bull in Mithraism. The blood represents visionary plants and the way the
lower self's sacrifice and death enables the higher self to manifest — the
transcendent mental worldmodel regarding time, self, control, will.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2763 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 17/12/2003
Subject: Bridge or wall between determinists and freewillists
There is a bridge one must cross to move from original freewillist thinking to
determinist thinking, but it is predetermined who is destined to cross this
bridge. Therefore there is a wall dividing people into two groups, those
destined to cross the bridge and those not; no-free-willist sheep and
freewillist goats.


— Michael Hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 2764 From: stemmer02@gmx.net Date: 17/12/2003
Subject: big secret out > rain = reign
ALWAYS you hear "rain" in a rock song substitute "reign".

It can be also cleverly combined like in:
"rain falls on every one " [The Smashing Pumpkins]
"the same old rain"
In the mystic altered state threre is easily conceived an image
of Reign falling *just like* phsical Rain [on every one!!]
If you stand directly beneath Father Sky (without (psychic/physical)
Protection) you are bound to have "rain/Reign falling on you".
Note clever double meaning: REIGNS falls on every one {mystic meaning):
Everybody is subject to fate and is utterly dependent on it. Thus
Reign="Your Divinly Given Will" falls (=metaphorically image) on
everyone ("Comes To You As To Us All").
Also "the same old rain" indicates the timeless dimension of
experiencing determinism and all of life being recognized as coming
from the same timeless source /dimension.

[Hammer To Fall, Queen]
Rich or poor or famous
For your truth it's all the same (oh no oh no)
Lock your door the rain is pouring
Through your window pane (oh no)
Baby now your struggle's all in vain

Here another example for Rain = Reign. In the mystic state one
struggles for control = Reign over one's self. The problem arises
that the Reign is perceived as laying outside oneself. The Reign is
*seen* as coming *through* your window pane (=eyes=windows of
perception) *from outside*. The "Lock you door" refers to the struggle
that's "all in vain": the egoic-logic can't escape its inbuilt deadly
insight of its own ill-logic and must destroy and reformat.

There are heaps of similar occurences in dozens of rock songs.
I hereby claim to be the first discoverer of this hidden meaning of
rock mysticism who openly publishes about it.
The rain=reign theme is one of not *too many* key themes which have to
be grasped to understand what "Rock'n'RoLl" is about:
insight into hidden determinism brought up by visionary plants.
Rock'n'Roll itself refers to the wiggling and wriggling one acts out
when being in high transcendent cogntivi modus. Also it describes the
tides of perception when mystified: Insight into Cosmic Determinism
(the "Rock") alternates with phases of conventional-ego-pereception.
These tides become more and more aggressive/shorter like sexual climax
with the peak being the overwhelming orgasmic experience of Cosmic
Determinism.


-It comes to you as to us all
–We're just waiting
—For the hammer to fall


(C) Merker
Group: egodeath Message: 2765 From: stemmer02@gmx.net Date: 17/12/2003
Subject: Re: Bridge or wall between determinists and freewillists
— In egodeath@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hoffman" <mhoffman@e…> wrote:
>
>
> There is a bridge one must cross to move from original freewillist
thinking to
> determinist thinking, but it is predetermined who is destined to
cross this
> bridge. Therefore there is a wall dividing people into two groups,
those
> destined to cross the bridge and those not; no-free-willist sheep and
> freewillist goats.
>

We should openly be able to express our disgust towards the evil
people led by ill logic, "the devil inside". I routinely experience
disgust with people inexperienced. I really can relate to the
conception of the "devil" being the fallen ego logic not knowing of
the wisdom the light brings. Such people are pure evil vs. us heavenly
Saints. And they hold up their noses in stupid ignorance. Those fools
should steal a ship and sail away!

lost inside the truth
(c) merker
Group: egodeath Message: 2766 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Bridge or wall between determinists and freewillists
merker wrote:
>We should openly be able to express our disgust towards the evil
>people led by ill logic, "the devil inside".


I'm working toward being more open and accepting less B.S. phony paradigms
posing as "reasonable". Given determinism, disgust of unenlightened and
inexperienced people ultimately points upward or underneath persons, to the
transcendent ground of being that produces everyone's thoughts. This is why I
perfectly forgive my enemies. My 'enemies' are those who are uninitiated and
believe in freewill, believe that meditation is the standard mystic method,
and/or have little or no experience with visionary plants yet fancy themselves
as having a worthwhile opinion on the matter. 'Turn the other cheek' is
tantamount to saying "that awful act of yours was determined, and so will be
your next awful act". No one exists to be mad at but the demiurge. One has
been rescued by a compassionate good God, so dualism (the good God vs. the
demiurge world-ruler) easily arises from fully mystic-state based religion.


>I routinely experience
>disgust with people inexperienced. I really can relate to the
>conception of the "devil" being the fallen ego logic not knowing of
>the wisdom the light brings. Such people are pure evil vs. us heavenly
>Saints. And they hold up their noses in stupid ignorance. Those fools
>should steal a ship and sail away!
>
>lost inside the truth


A clear grasp of deterministic logic of agency is needed. Saying that one is
"disgusted with those who have fallen ego logic" sounds like it implies the
false assumption of freewillist culpability. What is the *content* of the
wisdom the light brings?

That metaphysically, our every thought is the product of the Ground of Being,
not of oneself. My thoughts are borrowed, are given, like everyone's, though
only some people are conscious of this and have a worldmodel centered around
this insight — those who from the beginning of time are among the elect,
chosen race, beloved of the divine, pleasing to God. Those on the outside are
awful, horrible, accursed, deluded, evil by nature, destined for perdition —
as the humorous clever Qumran Jews maintained. The humorless are damned to
the fires of hell for eternity of torment.

The Valentinians chose a more balanced 2-tiered flip-flopable metaphor system
though, welcoming — into the lower rank — clueless freewillist literalists.
Both metaphor strategies are interesting and need to be understood: the Qumran
*strictly insiders* approach, or the 2-level religion approach of the
Valentinians.


My difficult task as a theorist or scholar is to marry myth-religion scholars,
determinists, and entheogen scholars. I need to push the points about
determinism and no-Jesus/purely mythic religion within the entheogen
community.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2767 From: merker2002 Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Victim of Love /Complete Revelation
You're a victim of love
just a victim of love
i could be wrong
but you know i'm not


Psilocybin mushrooms combined with Cannabis can be a *highly* potent
mixture.

I could see myself laying in a coffin. I was dead as dead can be.
I knew what it was all about. I knew everything. All meaning was
revealed to me. I was guilty as hell. My body was alive but *I* was
dead by all means. So dead. All Time is present outside of Time.
We don't stand a chance in hell. That's how it is how it's going to be.

Sometimes I wish I've never been born at all

You're just another sucker ready for the Fall.
Fight from the inside, you can't win with your hands tied.

Everything is about *it*, revelation of the nature of things brings
the most horrible death to be died.



No one gets to heaven till they've lived awhile in hell
And even then it's rare
That you'll be going there [Dio]

I *completely* understand this. This is 100% true.


ROCK'N'ROLL i completely decoded.
ROCK: Perception of CosmicDeterminism, time can be perceived as being
not a stream (usual conception of time) but rather being like a
*Rock*, ie. solid as a rock.
ROLL: Describes in a minor sense the usual sense of flowing time but
more important it hints at the phases of perception in the mystic
experience in which time is seen as flowing *BUT* it is known it does
*NOT*.
Highest knowledge: Union of perception of ROCK and of perception of
ROLL. Marriage of low and highEST thinking. ULTIMATE perfection.


"You'll never know why we ROCK, ROCK, ROCK" [ozzy]

Saint of Saints merker
Group: egodeath Message: 2768 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Bridge or wall between determinists and freewillists
"Those the father has given to me know my voice and follow me and recognize
me. They shall not be taken away from me. Those who are outside have had
their ears plugged, and are not given to me. These are my sheep, who are
mine, and who I have gathered and rescued out of the world." Jesus or Apollo
the good shepherd here is a symbol of determinism, the kingly leader and
mascot of the determinists.

"Those who are not mine are given to their father, their king, who is the
devil. They are of the devil and belong to the devil; their lot is perdition
and eternal apartness from the Father." The followers of the father of lies
are those who are *not* timelessly predestined to experience and grasp cosmic
determism.

Either you are a freewillist, or a fully experienced determinist, and that's
that — a sheep or a goat, saved or lost, pleasing or displeasing when
standing before the divine court.

The hard, clean division into two groups is somewhat idealist; in reality,
grasping and experiencing determinism is a matter of degree and happens in
increments — still, the simple two-category scheme is intellectually coherent
and profound, and it's that much easier for an individual to fall well within
the determinist camp when scripture is recognized as teaching the clean
distinction between freewillist and determinist thinking.


Perhaps every astrological sign has been included in the entheogen-determinism
metaphor system: bull, sheep, fish, …


— Michael Hoffman
Egodeath.com
Group: egodeath Message: 2769 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: rain = reign double-hearing as work within paradigm
The theory I've systematized is not difficult, and I have trouble
understanding when discussion group members and moderators say my writing is
unclear. I must respect their reports of their experience, that they
experience my writing as unclear — but it must be that the perceived
unclarity is due to paradigm difference. How much clearer can one be, than
what is in my .sig, for example? Religion is purely metaphorical, being
allusion to visionary-plant states, inducing awareness of no-free-will —
please explain what phrase is so unclear.

I just don't see where the unclarity is. Truth is not that hard to grasp, and
not that hard to systematize. I think people are just being dense, poor
readers, and past a certain point, *no one* could write clearly enough for
such poor readers. I write in plain and simple language all the time, but
some people are just too dense, too lazy, too something to comprehend my
perfectly clear and direct writing.

I am glad to see multiple people proving that they have actually *read* the
words I post, and understand them, and can do further work within the paradigm
the systematization of which I have discovered and labored to demonstrate.


I don't know offhand whether I previously recognized or wrote about the
'rain'/'reign' connection, double-hearing or allusion. One thing that needs
to be mentioned in addition to Merker's above points is the visual distortion
tie-in, as in "looking through a waterfall" or being "underwater". There's a
relatively full treatment of this visual distortion as 'water' theme in Robert
Thorne's Marihuana: The Burning Bush of Moses, which is one of the most
mystical-scholarship informed books on entheogens.

One reason the snake is considered wise is that it undulates — wriggles —
like visual distortion.


Is the mystic climax the experience of determinism, or of prayer for
miraculous rescue from it, from outside the system of cosmic determinism? I
suppose this is arbitrary, but certainly magic, miracle, and compassionate
deities are popular enough in advanced mysticism to defend the latter
position. And any beginning mystic can have a climactic experience of
overwhelming determinism (stealing away personal control stability and agency)
long before the need is encountered for truly transcendent rescue from outside
the system.

This is an area for research and discussion among a community who are all
operating within the entheogen-determinism paradigm.


— Michael Hoffman
Egodeath.com


>—–Original Message—–
>From: stemmer02
>Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:10 AM
>To: egodeath@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [egodeath] big secret out > rain = reign
>
>
>ALWAYS you hear "rain" in a rock song substitute "reign".
>
>It can be also cleverly combined like in:
>"rain falls on every one " [The Smashing Pumpkins]
>"the same old rain"
>In the mystic altered state threre is easily conceived an image
>of Reign falling *just like* phsical Rain [on every one!!]
>If you stand directly beneath Father Sky (without (psychic/physical)
>Protection) you are bound to have "rain/Reign falling on you".
>Note clever double meaning: REIGNS falls on every one {mystic meaning):
>Everybody is subject to fate and is utterly dependent on it. Thus
>Reign="Your Divinly Given Will" falls (=metaphorically image) on
>everyone ("Comes To You As To Us All").
>Also "the same old rain" indicates the timeless dimension of
>experiencing determinism and all of life being recognized as coming
>from the same timeless source /dimension.
>
>[Hammer To Fall, Queen]
>Rich or poor or famous
>For your truth it's all the same (oh no oh no)
>Lock your door the rain is pouring
>Through your window pane (oh no)
>Baby now your struggle's all in vain
>
>Here another example for Rain = Reign. In the mystic state one
>struggles for control = Reign over one's self. The problem arises
>that the Reign is perceived as laying outside oneself. The Reign is
>*seen* as coming *through* your window pane (=eyes=windows of
>perception) *from outside*. The "Lock you door" refers to the struggle
>that's "all in vain": the egoic-logic can't escape its inbuilt deadly
>insight of its own ill-logic and must destroy and reformat.
>
>There are heaps of similar occurences in dozens of rock songs.
>I hereby claim to be the first discoverer of this hidden meaning of
>rock mysticism who openly publishes about it.
>The rain=reign theme is one of not *too many* key themes which have to
>be grasped to understand what "Rock'n'RoLl" is about:
>insight into hidden determinism brought up by visionary plants.
>Rock'n'Roll itself refers to the wiggling and wriggling one acts out
>when being in high transcendent cogntivi modus. Also it describes the
>tides of perception when mystified: Insight into Cosmic Determinism
>(the "Rock") alternates with phases of conventional-ego-pereception.
>These tides become more and more aggressive/shorter like sexual climax
>with the peak being the overwhelming orgasmic experience of Cosmic
>Determinism.
>
>
>-It comes to you as to us all
>–We're just waiting
>—For the hammer to fall
>
>
>(C) Merker
Group: egodeath Message: 2770 From: wrmspirit@aol.com Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Rising above the enslaving law of experienced determinism
When I was in college, I would have an experience occur on its own, and now I
remember what it was…..It was sleep paralysis….a condition…….This
happened all the time, but I didn't associate it with religion like the words on
this list do..After a while I would just wait until the paralysis left and it
always did….or I wouldn't be writing this……Now I understand what these
writings on entheogens are doing…..They are taking a 'condition,' from a
normal experience, and then interpreting it as no free will, and relating it to
religion or at least what is believed to be a cause for the religious
writings…when, in fact, there is no religion at all, other than what the beliefs
contribute to what words may appear to say….I always had a sense, deep down,
that what was being written here was missing something…..and now I know the
missing link….and how a condition can be made into something that it is
not….and why the words about entheogens cannot go any further than where they
are…because they are stuck in believing that a condition is what is……..


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: egodeath Message: 2771 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Victim of Love /Complete Revelation
merker wrote:
>You're a victim of love
>just a victim of love
>i could be wrong
>but you know i'm not


I continue to think of the song "I think I'm in love" by Eddie Money:
"something's got ahold of me now … it controls me — makes me do all the
things I do for you … and I don't think I can make it through the night;
[your love] help me make it through the night". Love and sexual climax is
rich in potential for metaphorizing entheogen determinism.



>Psilocybin mushrooms combined with Cannabis can be a *highly* potent
>mixture.


That can't be emphasized too much, THC as effective augmenter of the core
psychedelics — one reason to look for mixtures in history.


>I could see myself laying in a coffin. I was dead as dead can be.
>I knew what it was all about. I knew everything. All meaning was
>revealed to me.


It helps alot to have read my theorization of ego death.


>I was guilty as hell. My body was alive but *I* was
>dead by all means. So dead. All Time is present outside of Time.
>We don't stand a chance in hell. That's how it is how it's going to be.
>
>Sometimes I wish I've never been born at all
>
>You're just another sucker ready for the Fall.
>Fight from the inside, you can't win with your hands tied.
>
>Everything is about *it*, revelation of the nature of things brings
>the most horrible death to be died.
>
>
>
>No one gets to heaven till they've lived awhile in hell
>And even then it's rare
>That you'll be going there [Dio]
>
>I *completely* understand this. This is 100% true.
>
>
>ROCK'N'ROLL i completely decoded.
>ROCK: Perception of CosmicDeterminism, time can be perceived as being
>not a stream (usual conception of time) but rather being like a
>*Rock*, ie. solid as a rock.
>ROLL: Describes in a minor sense the usual sense of flowing time but
>more important it hints at the phases of perception in the mystic
>experience in which time is seen as flowing *BUT* it is known it does
>*NOT*.
>Highest knowledge: Union of perception of ROCK and of perception of
>ROLL. Marriage of low and highEST thinking. ULTIMATE perfection.
>
>
>"You'll never know why we ROCK, ROCK, ROCK" [ozzy]
>
>Saint of Saints merker


Oh you prideful saint, they say — but how can one be proud if determinism? I
think what it makes me think; I'm washed of culpability, metaphysically.

I've written some about 'Rock' as metaphor, and am impressed with the
climactic line "To be a rock, and not to roll" in context in the song Stairway
to Heaven.


The End of Time: The Next Revolution in Physics
Julian Barbour
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0195117298
13K (very popular)


Book list: Tenseless time, eternity, and timelessness
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/CYO513ZOJFHM


— Saint Michael
Egodeath.com
Group: egodeath Message: 2772 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Need to resume my more careful posting. On moderating.
Neville Lindsay, a moderator of the JesusMysteries discussion group, wrote:
>>New members are moderated as they join. They are turned loose after they
make some reasonable posts, and only placed back on moderation if they become
likely to spring unpleasant, off-topic or unfathomable posts. You have been
through this cycle, and being unpredictable, are on moderation and sometimes
get rejections.

>>As you say, you are a seasoned campaigner. So you should not need the
molly-coddling you yearn for. Can I suggest you self-moderate, as our mature
members do, and write things in plain English so that it doesn't take ten
minutes to attempt to decipher what you are getting at, and also stay on topic
and within the reasonably broad rules.

>>We are not moderation freaks, and allow plenty of latitude. That latitude is
not, however, licence to do as you please. If you stick to the topic and
express yourself in straight language you should not get rejections. The onus
is on you, not us. If you can't be bothered to make the effort as you say,
don't try to shift the blame to us or other members. We welcome constructive,
effective posters, tolerate the less talented and moderate or put on Read Only
those who persistently cause problems. It is up to each member to self-select
the category they end up in.
Group: egodeath Message: 2773 From: merker2002 Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: rain = reign double-hearing as work within paradigm
>>There's a relatively full treatment of this visual distortion as
'water' theme in Robert Thorne's Marihuana: The Burning Bush of Moses,
which is one of the most mystical-scholarship informed books on
entheogens.


Interesting. I have to agree that espescially Marijuana pushes this
water distorted perception immensely.

As to the correlation of this perception to the rain/reign
double-entendre: Of course, it's true, as rain is made up of water,
[the recognition of] reign can be metaphorically be said to be made up
of "holy water" cleansing away all impurities.
Group: egodeath Message: 2774 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Need to resume my more careful posting. On moderating.
>likely to spring unpleasant, off-topic or unfathomable posts.

> write things in plain English so that it doesn't take ten
>minutes to attempt to decipher what you are getting at, and also
>stay on topic

>not, however, licence to do as you please. If you stick to the topic and
>express yourself in straight language you should not get rejections.

>We welcome constructive, effective posters … and moderate or put on Read
Only those who persistently cause problems.


Many moderators assume that entheogens, or determinism, or entirely mythic
nature of religion is "off-topic" — but that is exactly the issue, of what is
the nature and relevance of these things; what is the real heart of the topic
and what's relevant and what's not. In fact, these 3 topics form a trilogy
and are more tightly and profoundly united than any other. You don't have any
insight into determinism, or religion, or entheogens, if you don't recognize
each as centrally on-topic for the others (when integrated).

In practice, mystery religion is considered to be off-topic by the Jesus
Mysteries moderators. They don't actually discuss and permit discussion of
actual mystery religion, with its actual concerns centrally including
metaphorization of entheogens and determinism, which is why I call it "the
Jesus Mysteries non-discussion group". Then one must spend more time slipping
past the censorious and knee-jerk moderators — archons — and the clueless
complaining mobs, than speaking simply and directly.

It's largely a double-bind situation: "write clearly and on-topic, but we
won't permit you to post about determinism or entheogens or how metaphor
encodes these, because determinism and entheogens are a-priori considered to
be off-topic."


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience. The essence, paradigm, origin, and fountainhead of religion is
the use of visionary plants to routinely trigger the intense mystic altered
state, producing loose cognitive association binding, which then produces an
experience of frozen block-universe determinism with a single, pre-existing,
ever-existing future. The return of the ordinary state of consciousness is
allegorized as a transcendence of Necessity or cosmic determinism. Myth
describes this mystic-state experience. Initiation is classically a series of
some 8 visionary-plant sessions, interspersed with study of perennial
philosophy. Most religion is a distortion, corruption, literalization, and
cooptation of this standard initiation system.
Group: egodeath Message: 2775 From: merker2002 Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Victim of Love /Complete Revelation /QUEEN
> I continue to think of the song "I think I'm in love" by Eddie Money:
> "something's got ahold of me now … it controls me — makes me do
all the
> things I do for you … and I don't think I can make it through the
night;
> [your love] help me make it through the night". Love and sexual
climax is
> rich in potential for metaphorizing entheogen determinism.


Eddie Money is definitely a fine poet.
Those lyrics are intimidating when sober but *kill* when highest.

Speaking of fine poets QUEEN ought to be recognized as one of the
finest ROCK musicians ever. They deserve to be put next to RUSH
regarding their commitment to Revelation.
There are only a couple (if even that) QUEEN songs alltogether which
are not about *it*.
Freddie Mercury did not choose "Mercury" accidently, rather was full
aware that HE IS Merkur. He is [was] the true in-flesh Mercur.
He brings wisdom to whom *truely* listens. He was a messenger of our
times. He brings the GOOD NEWS ("NEWS of the world"): Cosmic Determinism.
Randomly choose *any* Queen song, 99% you have heavy mystic rock.
Actually, for those in the know, QUEEN is most obvious about Revelation.
Also, today's still active members Brian May & Roger Taylor still
produce fine ROCK. Also check out *The Cross* a side-project of Roger
Taylor put out a very mystic record "Mad, Bad, Dangerous To Know".
Group: egodeath Message: 2776 From: wrmspirit@aol.com Date: 18/12/2003
Subject: Re: Need to resume my more careful posting. On moderating.
Sometimes it seems that we think we love something so much, that we just
aren't willing to let it go….and religion, it seems can be one of those
things….It seems a shame in a way… to carry on with words, made out of religion,
that were once pushed down into life forcing life to believe and become what
is not….It seems to be like using the garbage by piling it up to get out of
the garbage, into life that is not tainted with it anymore, and then leaving
the garbage behind for another who may appear, to find and have to dig through,
rather than just getting rid of the garbage, period, and letting it dissolve
once and for all, allowing I to be as I and nothing else…………..But then,
I also know that whatever may be necessary for another will be, regardless of
what I say..that's the way life appears…….It's just nice to write
sometimes…….because writing it down helps it all to be seen so much more
clearly…..


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: egodeath Message: 2777 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Re: big secret out > rain = reign
Merker wrote (paraphrased):
>>Always when you hear "rain" in a Rock song, substitute "reign". It can be
also cleverly combined like in "rain falls on every one", "the same old rain".
In the mystic altered state there is easily conceived an image of Reign
falling *just like* physical Rain: on everyone. If you stand directly beneath
Father Sky (without (psychic/physical) Protection) you are bound to have
"rain/Reign falling on you".

>>Note the clever double meaning: reign falls on every one; mystic meaning:
everybody is subject to fate and is utterly dependent on it. Thus Reign =
"Your Divinly Given Will" falls (=metaphorical image) on everyone ("Comes To
You As To Us All").


I doubt I thought of or wrote about that rain = reign in acid-rock lyrics:
rain, and reign, but not rain=reign.

http://www.google.com/search?q=reign+site:egodeath.com&as_qdr=all&filter=0

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath/messagesearch?query=reign

"There's no swimming in the heavy water
No singing in the acid rain"


-m
Group: egodeath Message: 2778 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Religion is innate capacity to experience truth
A strategy of silence will have the same effect as no strategy, no action. A
strategy of active revision has a good chance of setting religion straight and
right-side-up again. Making a move of "taking no action" is tantamount to
actively voting in favor of the status quo. One must actively engage and
revise religion. There is no chance of it withering away. That is a tried
and failed approach. Deep revision of religion has not been effectively
attempted. Ignoring religion has been attempted, and that strategy has
failed.

True religion is the experience of truth. Atheists attempt to eliminate all
religion, but then they lose the experience of truth, by eliminating authentic
and valid religion along with ersatz religion. Religion, authentic and real
religion, is truth — religion is the experience of philosophical and
metaphysical truth. You cannot eliminate religion any more than you can
eliminate philosophical and metaphysical truth.

The notion that it is possible to eliminate religion is founded on the lack of
significant religious experiencing, and there is really just one significant
reason for the lack of religious experiencing: alienation from visionary
plants. Visionary plants are by far the main trigger for religious
experiencing, and religious experiencing is by far the main wellspring for
religion. One can no more eliminate authentic religion than one could
eliminate sexual climax; we are in fact well equipped to experience and
discover religion.


Book: The Innate Capacity: Mysticism, Psychology, and Philosophy
Robert Forman (ed.)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0195116976/qid=1071813824/sr=1-1
0/ref=sr_1_10/102-9881735-6884112?v=glance&s=books
1997


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2779 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Book: Brock: Mary M, 1st Apostle: Struggle for Authority
I posted the book review of Mary Magdalene, The First Apostle: The Struggle
for Authority, shown below. Even though it is a Radical review, it is marked
as a Spotlight Review, with 30 of 41 people so far voting that it was
"helpful" in understanding what the book is about and in deciding whether to
purchase and read it. For the first few months, as I recall, this book was
ignored, and less of a majority voted my review as "helpful".

Sales of Brock's book increased after the book Da Vinci Code became a
bestseller.

The Da Vinci Code
Dan Brown
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385504209
March 2003, Sales rank: #1, Reviews: 1,645


Out of my 45 book lists
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-fil/-/A1YFCQT60M4XAJ
the following book list, which includes Brock's book, became the most popular:

Mary "John" Magdalene, The Beloved Disciple
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/CV3ZTFHJV6TP


Here are my most popular book lists, showing the number of times viewed:
1386 — Mary "John" Magdalene, The Beloved Disciple
943 — Picture story Bibles
927 — Gnosticism
838 — The entheogen theory of religion
730 — Historical Jesus, or Christ Myth?
503 — Mystery Religion, Myth, and the Mystical State
474 — Mythic-only Christ theory
393 — Ecstatic Alchemy
376 — Ancient Near Eastern religion
365 — Reformed/Calvinist theology and determinism
364 — Original, experiential, mystical Christianity

_____________________

Mary Magdalene, The First Apostle: The Struggle for Authority
Ann Brock, 2003
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0674009665
Rank: 8K (very popular)

5 stars

Democratic Mary M. vs. Hierarchical Peter and Virgin Mary


Brock shows that any given early Christian writing portrays authority as being
concentrated either in Mary Magdalene or Peter, but not both. Mary Magdalene
is often replaced by Mary mother of Jesus, who then is passive and affirms
Peter's authority. The Peter figure is consistently elevated in writings that
promote hierarchical, male, formal authority such as Deacons, Bishops, and
Archbishops.

The Mary Magdalene figure is consistently elevated is writings from which
formal leadership roles are absent. The Paul figure is more involved in a
tug-of-war between these two opposing systems of church government.

Brock tends to speak as though taking for granted the historical existence of
the Bible figures — that may or may not be excusable. Those who wanted to
concentrate power exclusively in the hands of the leaders of a hierarchical
church had good reason to literalize all the Bible figures, whereas I would
expect the democratizers such as elevated Mary Magdalene as authoritative
would be inclined to democratically put forth the whole scheme as
mythic-mystic metaphor.

I would like to see this motive for literalization treated and possibly
contrasted between those who elevated the figure of Mary Magdalene (women,
mystics, and those not in power) and those who elevated the figure of Peter
(male Roman rulers).

Brock demonstrates that among the gospels, Luke is the most pro-Peter and most
pro-hierarchy, promoting the narrowest and most formal concept of "apostle".
The whole idea of a firmly restricted number of "apostles" aligns with the
motives of the Petrine camp and is against the spirit of the Mary Magdalene
camp.

I am still trying to understand whether this book postulates that Christianity
began as a women-driven religion that was later taken over by the men in
power; whether Mary Magdalene is practically the same as the Beloved Disciple
and the traditional figure of "John"; and whether Mary Magdalene should be
thought of as the mythic consort of the godman figure in the Christian system
of mythic-mystic religion.

This is a solidly scholarly work that greatly advances Mary Magdalene studies
and shows the importance and full relevance of Mary Magdalene. Before reading
Brock, I was inclined to think that because the Mary Magdalene early tradition
has been largely suppressed in the canon, a theory of the core Christian
mythic-mystic system need not cover her.

Brock clearly reveals the importance of tracing in the canon the boundaries of
this battle for authority between the democratic and hierarchical camps. To a
significant extent, the canon is intrinsically shaped in the form of a
conflict and contention between the two camps; the canon reflects a great
tug-of-war between two main scripture-shaping camps, and cannot be
meaningfully understood when approached as a single, coherent, harmonious
construction.

Brock opens up the canon by demonstrating that it reflects opposing efforts to
define the structure of the church, the content of Christian doctrine, and the
socio-political role of women. The scriptures can be rightly divided, putting
aside the familiar Petrine authoritarian tradition which was convenient for
the Roman rulers, and freshly opening up the democratic direct experience
associated with the Mary Magdalene camp.

I would like to see more about the association of direct mystic experiencing
with the Mary Magdalene advocates. This book is more concerned with
establishing the evidence for its specific, delimited thesis that there was a
struggle for authority, than with speculating about the motives and mode of
operation of the Orthodox authoritarian Christians (bishops and other
powerful, elite rulers) against the Gnostic Christians.

__________________


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simplest theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2780 From: rialcnis2000 Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Re: Religion is innate capacity to experience truth
— In egodeath@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hoffman" <mhoffman@e…>
wrote:
>
> A strategy of silence will have the same effect as no strategy, no
action. A
> strategy of active revision has a good chance of setting religion
straight and
> right-side-up again. Making a move of "taking no action" is
tantamount to
> actively voting in favor of the status quo. One must actively
engage and
> revise religion. There is no chance of it withering away. That
is a tried
> and failed approach. Deep revision of religion has not been
effectively
> attempted. Ignoring religion has been attempted, and that
strategy has
> failed.
>
> True religion is the experience of truth. Atheists attempt to
eliminate all
> religion, but then they lose the experience of truth, by
eliminating authentic
> and valid religion along with ersatz religion. Religion,
authentic and real
> religion, is truth — religion is the experience of philosophical
and
> metaphysical truth. You cannot eliminate religion any more than
you can
> eliminate philosophical and metaphysical truth.
>
> The notion that it is possible to eliminate religion is founded on
the lack of
> significant religious experiencing, and there is really just one
significant
> reason for the lack of religious experiencing: alienation from
visionary
> plants. Visionary plants are by far the main trigger for religious
> experiencing, and religious experiencing is by far the main
wellspring for
> religion. One can no more eliminate authentic religion than one
could
> eliminate sexual climax; we are in fact well equipped to
experience and
> discover religion.


In Buddhist history there are two basic styles. The Theravadin and
the Mahayana. In the dialogue above one can see the same
distinctions, The Theravadins were monastic-aloof and prefered to
remain apart from the world, while Mahayana determined to challenge
the status quo.

dc
Group: egodeath Message: 2781 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Book lists ranked by popularity
My 45 book lists
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-fil/-/A1YFCQT60M4XAJ
ranked by number of views; the most popular are at the top:

1386 — Mary "John" Magdalene, The Beloved Disciple
943 — Picture story Bibles
927 — Gnosticism
838 — The entheogen theory of religion
730 — Historical Jesus, or Christ Myth?
503 — Mystery Religion, Myth, and the Mystical State
474 — Mythic-only Christ theory
393 — Ecstatic Alchemy
376 — Ancient Near Eastern religion
365 — Reformed/Calvinist theology and determinism
364 — Original, experiential, mystical Christianity
287 — Picture story Bibles 3: Baby Bibles
277 — Rock as gnosis-initiation mystery religion
260 — The active eucharist that reveals the kingdom of God
240 — The Swoon/Shroud/India theory of Jesus' death
240 — Christianity as political rebellion against "divine" Caesar
238 — Earliest Christianity
236 — Rush books (Rock group)
219 — Hermeticism and Ancient Mystic Astrology
215 — Holy Spirit and Christian Spirituality
203 — Religious Experiencing
191 — Western Esotericism
184 — Philosophy of Mother of God
179 — Block-universe determinism, Necessity, divine predestination
169 — Sophia, religious comprehension
164 — Lord's Supper (Prot., E. Orth, Ecum.)
160 — Eucharist (Catholic authors)
160 — Tenseless time, eternity, and timelessness
156 — How did Christianity catch on?
156 — How did Christianity catch on? Martyrdom as dissidence
154 — Religious myth: allegorical metaphor of mystic experiencing
143 — Picture story Bibles 2
138 — Theology of Religious Pluralism
120 — Ancient wine as visionary plant beverage
118 — Lives of the Apostles
109 — Eucharist (Catholic authors II)
99 — The kingdom of God is at hand
41 — Ancient wine as visionary plant beverage (2)
38 — Word and Power (doctrine and spiritual experience)
38 — Jewish Mysticism
24 — Holy Spirit and Christian Spirituality 2
10 — Reformed/Calvinist theology and determinism 2
Group: egodeath Message: 2782 From: merker2002 Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Re: Book: Brock: Mary M, 1st Apostle: Struggle for Authority
Is the "Da Vinci Code" the bestselling book at Amazon?
sales rank #1 seems to look like it.
Is this book highly relevant to this group?
Should be read by anyone interested in the field ?


merker
Group: egodeath Message: 2783 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: Re: Book: Brock: Mary M, 1st Apostle: Struggle for Authority
>Is the "Da Vinci Code" … highly relevant to this group?


Tangentially relevant. It's Liberal Literalism, lacking the mythic-only
paradigm. Jesus and MM literally existed and were literally married and had
literal offspring carrying the literal blood of a literal dynasty of literal
kings. It's not based in mystic-state experiencing.


>Should be read by anyone interested in the field ?


One should know the poor paradigm it reflects: Liberal literalism deficient in
mystic altered-state experiencing, misreading metaphorical description of
mystic experiencing in a literalist mode.


— Michael Hoffman
http://www.egodeath.com — simple theory of the ego-death and rebirth
experience
Group: egodeath Message: 2784 From: merker2002 Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: M Jackson: Invincible
"Invincible"

If I could tear down these walls that keep you and I apart [cmp "The
Wall" by PinkFloyd: wall between true and rigid perception]
I know I could claim your heart and our perfect love will start
["perfect love" -> ultimate marriage of Rock and Roll perception]
But girl you just won't approve of the things that I do [egoic
rulership is forever doomed by divine truth/thinking]
When all I do is for you but still you say it ain't cool [Encounter of
Vanity, impossibility of escaping fate "still ain't cool"]

If there's somebody else, he can't love you like me
And he says he'll treat you well, he can't treat you like me
And he's buying <D>iamond<S> and pear<L>s, he can't do it like me
And he's taking you all across the world, he can't trick you like me

[CHORUS]
So why ain't you feelin' me, she's invincible [Fate is invincible]
I can't do anything, she's invincible [ego can't do anything to help
himself]
Even when I beg and plead[bleed], she's invincible [transcendent prayer]
Girl won't give in [to me][tonight], she's invincible [ego is boudn to
loose]

Now many times I've told you of all the things I would do
But I cant seem to get through no matter how I try to
So tell me how does it seem that you ain't checking for me
When I know that I could be more than you could ever dream

If there's somebody else, he can't love you like me
And he says he'll treat you well, he can't treat you like me
And he's buying diamonds and pearls, he can't do it like me
And he's taking you all across the world, he can't trick you like me

[CHORUS]

Now some way I'll have to prove all that I said I would do [one feels
the need to "sell ones soul", do everything fate demands in order to
regain stability]
Giving you everything, fulfilling your fantasy [Everything to rightful
owner: Fate/Divine in order to satisfy Fate]
Then maybe you'll change your mind and finally give in time [change to
Deterministic Worldmodell, "give in time" -> give up belief in time,
all time is omnipresent, conventional concept of time is false]
Then I'll be showing you what other men are supposed to do for you my
baby [other men= Priests]

[RAP]

Yo mummy, stop the refrain, I'm real with mine
All the things that I promised I'll fulfill in time
Chains and the bracelet got the realest shine [Chains=realEST->
highEST truth is Cosmic Determinism]
So many trips you'll have jetlag, and still be fine
He can trick but his money ain't long enough
He can spend/sp(l)it but his game/gain ain't strong enough
Now the way you resistin', this ain't cool
It's like nothing seems to work
She's Invincible.
Group: egodeath Message: 2785 From: merker2002 Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: 420 cybernetic truth indicator
420, 4:20 works as a code word for [support of] Marijuana (smoking).
In a more encompassing sense it can be understood as outing
an author/artist as being a member of the Chosen Ones,
ie. someone who is experienced with LSD/etc+Marijuana.

I've made a google-search and did not find anything on the net noting
this fact.

Check out rock-albums – many great albums have a 4:20 track.
Often this is a track especially relevant to the mystic state – even
though most of the time the whole album will be.
[I'm sure it can be easily shown statistically that this is can't ne a
circumstance, if anyone is so bold to suppose that.]

Examples:
BILLY SQUIER (1981) – Don't Say No\08 – Nobody Knows.mp3
Alice Cooper (1989) – Trash\06 Bed of Nails.mp3 (track in center)
Bruce Dickinson – The Chemical Wedding\Gates Of Urizen (track in center)
David Bowie – Reality\01 New Killer Star.mp3
[it's hassle to load the tracks into winamp and search for those
tracks. one should be able to easily check ablums with a script. then
it's also easy to evaluate stastistic significane.]


"by the end of the rain ,
the feeling's passed again" [Rainbow]

merker
Group: egodeath Message: 2786 From: merker2002 Date: 19/12/2003
Subject: “Prayers For Rain” (The Cure) / Rainmaker
"Prayers For Rain"

you shatter me your grip on me a hold on me
so dull it kills you stifle me infectious sense of
hopelessness and prayers for rain i suffocate i
breathe in dirt and nowhere shines but desolate
and drab the hours all spent on killing time [kill time= recognizing
flow of time as illusionary]
again all waiting for the rain

you fracture me your hands on me a touch so
plain so stale it kills you strangle me entangle
me in hopelessness and prayers for rain i
deteriorate i live in dirt and nowhere glows but
drearily and tired the hours all spent on killing
time again all waiting for the rain

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

On the latest Iron-Maiden there's a track called "Rainmaker"
Now this may *be a bit farfetched* but:
What about the Rainmaker figure? As far as i know it's not wholly
unrelated to the Shaman figure.
Now what about some clever Shaman explaining himself as "Reignmaker"?
Could it be , that it's no accident that some of these shaman-like
people refer to themselves as Rainmaker actually meaning Reignmaker?
Perhaps perfectly aware of the fact Western society at large is/was
not ready to understand these Shamans purpose? The Shaman thinks how
to describe himself and as someone who is trained in loose-cognition
is able to find a clever double-meaning many artists have used
since(?) to transport mystic-high-meaning in general unsuspicious
language.

2. Rainmaker

[Murray/Harris/Dickinson]

When I was wandering in the desert
And was searching for the truth
I heard a choir of angels calling out my name
I had the feeling that my life would never be the same again
I turned my face towards the barren sun

And I know of the pain that you feel the same as me
And I dream of the rain as it falls upon the leaves
And the cracks in our lives like the cracks upon the ground
They are sealed and are now washed away

[Chorus:]
You tell me we can start the rain
You tell me that we all can change
You tell me we can find something to wash the tears away
You tell me we can start the rain
You tell me that we all can change
You tell me we can find something to wash the tears…..

And I know of the pain that you feel the same as me
And I dream of the rain as it falls upon the leaves
And the cracks in the ground like the cracks are in our lives
They are sealed and now far away

—
merker
Group: egodeath Message: 2787 From: biochimp Date: 20/12/2003
Subject: All Along The Watchtower – lyrics by Jimi Hendrix
There must be some kind of way out of here
Said the joker to the thief
There's too much confusion
I can't get no relief
Businessman they drink my wine
Plow men dig my earth
None will level on the line
Nobody of it is worth
Hey hey

No reason to get excited
The thief he kindly spoke
There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke but uh
But you and I we've been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now
The hour's getting late
Hey

Hey

All along the watchtower
Princes kept the view
While all the women came and went
Bare-foot servants to, but huh
Outside in the cold distance
A wild cat did growl
Two riders were approachin'
And the wind began to howl
Hey
Oh
All along the watchtower
Hear you sing around the watch
Gotta beware gotta beware I will
Yeah
Ooh baby
All along the watchtower
Group: egodeath Message: 2788 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 20/12/2003
Subject: Re: All Along The Watchtower – lyrics by Jimi Hendrix
In this particular song (lyrics by Bob Dylan), I don't see clearly allusions
to the phenomena of the mystic altered state. I'd like to see your analysis.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22all+along+the+watchtower%22+dylan+hendrix
Group: egodeath Message: 2789 From: merker2002 Date: 21/12/2003
Subject: Reignbow /window
Richie Blackmore's band Rainbow : Reignbow

Very clever play on the Rain=Reign theme.
A rainbow is commonly associated with visionary plants (esp mj) and
resembles some of the Visions one experiences. Also optic perception
itself can be experienced as seeming like a Rainbow from which there
is no escape, thus Reignbow.

Genesis "Silver Rainbow"

"Beyond the silver rainbow
you won't know if you're coming or going "

Being beyond the "Silver Reignbow" means transcending Determinism ,
mainly by fully experiencing Determinism and realizing it to its fullest.
Also note: Under the Reignbow; being under someone's Reign.

Another keynote in the reign=rain code is the subcode of Window="being
able to perceive Outside, beyond the Reignbow, transcending Fate"

"Keep Passing the Open Windows" by Queen
Note: The "*Open* Windows" : Reign is pouring in all the time, not
only when you are standing behind it looking Outside(=tripping)

merker
Group: egodeath Message: 2790 From: merker2002 Date: 21/12/2003
Subject: Purple Rain
Consider /Purple Rain/ by Prince: Purple Reign.
Seeing Purple /shades and shapes/ is very common with classic entheogens.
Purple being the color of the Ruler, the King in the Middle Ages and
still today being known as royal, kingly.

Note: Prince himself is royal , follower of and to the King.

Hallowed Be Thy Name / Followed Be Thy Reign

Thy Kingdome Come
Thy Will Be Done
On Earth AsItIs In Heaven (heaven: mystic heaven)

merker
Group: egodeath Message: 2791 From: merker2002 Date: 21/12/2003
Subject: rain=reign Advanced
Further braincandy:

"Rain keeps beating down my face."
"Rain keep beating down my face[fate]" [Queen, A Winter's Tale]

"Crying in the Rain"
"Crying[Dying] in the Reign" [a-ha, —]


"it never rains unless it pours"
"it never reigns unless it pours" [ozzy , LA Tonight]

Reign in its fullness is only realized when complete control
disaster is encountered. Thus, to exagerrate Reign in order to
emphasize the heavy and completeness of Outside Reign=Determinism
it's said it "pours", ie. to say there's a *crushing* amount of Reign
coming down. Rain and Reign come from "above".

Another subtheme "rain from heaven" /"reign from heaven".

"teardrops are raining from heaven"
"teardrops are reigning form heaven" [a-ha]

"Is it raining in heaven(?)"
"Is it reigning in heaven(?)" [queen, no one but you]

" It's Raining In Heaven" [the Legendary Pink Dots]


merker
Group: egodeath Message: 2792 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 21/12/2003
Subject: Re: Reignbow /window
>A rainbow is commonly associated with visionary plants


Q: When are white clouds green and pink?
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Group: egodeath Message: 2794 From: merker2002 Date: 22/12/2003
Subject: Bicycle Race = Tripping on LSD
QUEEN's "Bicycle Race" is about tripping out on LSD.
Of course, "Bicycle" refers to LSD as per the blotter art
of Alfred Hofmann riding his bike and tripping out accidently.
"Race" characterizes and LSD -session , it's like a mind-race.

All I wanna do is
Bicycle bicycle bicycle [=eat LSD]

Bicycle races are coming your way
So forget all your duties , oh yeah
Fat bottomed girls [bottomeD girLS]
will be riding today
So look out for those beauties , oh yeah

Now, we come to "fat bottomeD girLS"

>>Fat bottomeD girLS you make the rockin' world go round
>>Fat bottomeD girLS you make the rockin' world go round

So, LSD makes the rockin' world go round.

>> Heap big woman you gonna make a big man out of me

A "big woman" = Fat bottomeD girLS = LSD
A heap of LSD makes a big man out of him.
big man: altered perception of proportion; better man , immortal


(c) merker
Group: egodeath Message: 2795 From: merker2002 Date: 22/12/2003
Subject: Re: Bicycle Race = Tripping on LSD
> >>Fat bottomeD girLS you make the rockin' world go round
> >>Fat bottomeD girLS you make the rockin' world go round
>

>> Ain't no beauty Queens in this locality (I tell you)

This is another way of saying, this song is actually
not about [beautiful] girls but rather about "fat bottomeD girLS", ie.
lSD.

>> I was just a skinny lad [Skinny LaD]
-> I was just on LSD, tripped out hard
Group: egodeath Message: 2796 From: merker2002 Date: 23/12/2003
Subject: Endless August nights
August is a code for "Infinity".
August is the Eigth month of the year.
an eigth looks like the Infinity-symbol turned 90°.

Thus , it makes perfectly sense to speak of
>> Another endless August night
August, understood in the above sense, represents Infinity –
thus it's an endless August night – metaphorically.
In the mystic experience one may be deadly convinced to be stuck
forever in this night.

Author: egodeaththeory

http://egodeath.com

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